Originally posted by scottishinnzI'm sure the folks that compiled CALD were all well-meaning. They just missed the boat on this new definition.
Just because you call theology "science" doesn't mean that it is.
The Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary comes up with this definition of "science"
"(knowledge obtained from) the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the [b]physical world, especially by observing, measuring and experimenting, and the development of theories to ...[text shortened]... the word) about the properties of either God or religious systems based upon their texts.[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThe meaning of the word 'science' as in use today does not include Theology. If you wish to give it a different meaning please make sure you state that every time you use it and also give your definition of the word. Though I am not sure that anyone else here wants to learn your one man language where words are spelled the same as in English but mean something else (can get very confusing).
I'm sure the folks that compiled CALD were all well-meaning. They just missed the boat on this new definition.
The folks at CALD did not 'miss the boat' but merely wrote down the common use meaning of the word.
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo apparently you agree with CALD's assessment of science as the exclusion of such branches as, say, mathematics.
The meaning of the word 'science' as in use today does not include Theology. If you wish to give it a different meaning please make sure you state that every time you use it and also give your definition of the word. Though I am not sure that anyone else here wants to learn your one man language where words are spelled the same as in English but mean some ...[text shortened]... ks at CALD did not 'miss the boat' but merely wrote down the common use meaning of the word.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHStill no answer. A nice sneer at the general population though.
I'm not much of a populist: the mob is so readily swayed. Out of curiosity, which of the disciplines does the mob currently hold to as being the "highest?"
I think the Mob these days is mainly interested in finance and those aspects of recreational chemistry and feminine biology which pertain to it. Could be wrong; I haven't kept in touch.
Here's from the folks at Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary at
http://www.m-w.com:
"1:the state of knowing: knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
2a:a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study [the science of theology] b: something (as a sport or a technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge [have it down to a science]
3a:knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b:such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena"
So much for a one-man language, I guess. Hell, both Merriam and Webster agree with me!
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhat other departments of systematized knowledge would fall under definition 2 (as distinct from natural science) ? Literary science?
2[b]a:a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study [the science of theology] b: something (as a sport or a technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge [have it down to a science][/b]
Just for good measure:
Main Entry: the·ol·o·gy
Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy
1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
2 a : a theological theory or system b : a distinctive body of theological opinion
3 : a usually 4-year course of specialized religious training in a Roman Catholic major seminary
Originally posted by Bosse de NageHard to say, really. A lot depends upon the definer, it would appear.
What other departments of systematized knowledge would fall under definition 2? Literary science?
Here's from the National Acadamies Press:
"Science is viewed as a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. It may also be defined to include systematic knowledge of the physical or material world; systematized knowledge in general; knowledge of facts and principles; and knowledge gained by systematic study."
http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309088909/html/92.html
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHThe Merriam-Webster definition is more useful than your latest one because it points out that science may refer to different things.
Hard to say, really. A lot depends upon the definer, it would appear.
Clearly natural science does not fall under that definition as it has its own sub-heading (and for good reason). Literary science would certainly fall under definition 2. I'm trying to figure out where psychology would go.
(Would a practising theologist call himself a scientist? And if theology and science are one, as you claim, what's the point of this thread?)
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI'm trying to figure out where psychology would go.
The Merriam-Webster definition is more useful than your latest one because it points out that science may refer to different things.
Clearly natural science does not fall under that definition as it has its own sub-heading (and for good reason). Literary science would certainly fall under definition 2. I'm trying to figure out where psychol ...[text shortened]... cientist? And if theology and science are one, as you claim, what's the point of this thread?)
Social sciences.
(Would a practising theologist call himself a scientist? And if theology and science are one, as you claim, what's the point of this thread?)
I doubt that any theologian would call themselves a scientist, but then again, most psychologists wouldn't, either. That doesn't mean their disciplines are any less involved than, say, an economist.
Theology and science are not "one," nor was that the intent of this thread. This thread was intended to point out the limitations of the general revelation, as well as the fallacy of pinning one's hopes on our ability to subdue the same.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou'll have to explain what "general revelation" means. Give us a peek into your world, man.
Theology and science are not "one," nor was that the intent of this thread. This thread was intended to point out the limitations of the general revelation, as well as the fallacy of pinning one's hopes on our ability to subdue the same.