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Originally posted by sasquatch672Well, this thread is fairly symptomatic.
Elaborate.
An initial observation that masqueraded as a criticism of science, but in fact was not; followed by a pointless argument about definitions and etymology; followed by posts that were deliberately obscure and/or sprinkled with presumption, arrogance and mysticism.
It's no way to live.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThis entire post is pure, unadulterated rubbish.
What can be known about God through creation, for instance, is considered general revelation. Everyone can understand some basic ideas about God simply by observing the natural world. It is general information, and it is available by general means to the general public. This is non-propositional (no words are required).
Further, divine revelation is ...[text shortened]... l as how to establish a relationship with Him. This is propositional in nature, thus the Bible.
Why doesn't the natural world tell us about the FSM, or Muffy. You are simply attributing things without any logical reason.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhy would they? People are free to believe whatever the heck they want - doesn't mean they're right though.
I was going to add that to the mix, but thanks for beating me to the punch. I'm sure that the many God-related quotes that came from Al and other scientists make the God non-botherers a tad queasy.
Originally posted by sasquatch672A STUPID idea is that science is wrong and your ass-backwards view of the world is right because it updates its information as it makes new discoveries.
I'm shocked by your post. Shocked. The ideas behind your post are about as hare-brained, intellectually empty and dishonest, and contrived as a stupid idea can possibly get. There are stupid ideas and then there are STUPID ideas. A stupid idea would be sticking your hand in a blender and hitting puree. A STUPID idea is that science is wrong and you ...[text shortened]... You people make me think twice about freedom of speech and the merits of "one man, one vote".
Gee, sassy, I'm not sure what is more stupid: the idea that it's wrong to revise one's stance in light of further revelation, or the fact that you took this thread as inferring such a stupid idea.
This thread had nothing to say about the scientific process, method or even science itself. If the meaning was lost on you--- despite disclaimers otherwise--- well, my apologies. As you seem to be a pretty decent bloke most of the time, I will try to be more clear in this explanation.
The purpose of this thread was to highlight the limitations of general revelation, especially to those who are willing to trust only what they are able to see (read: empiricism).
This extremely limited perspective is enslaved to the trial-and-error approach to life, which is the least effective method available. Experience is (regrettably) the most oft-used instructor, but she is also the most cruel.
Originally posted by scottishinnzThis entire post is pure, unadulterated rubbish.
This entire post is pure, unadulterated rubbish.
Why doesn't the natural world tell us about the FSM, or Muffy. You are simply attributing things without any logical reason.
Nay, Scott: I found your contributions plenty adulterating.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo we should believe everything we are told, evidence or not!
[b] A STUPID idea is that science is wrong and your ass-backwards view of the world is right because it updates its information as it makes new discoveries.
Gee, sassy, I'm not sure what is more stupid: the idea that it's wrong to revise one's stance in light of further revelation, or the fact that you took this thread as inferring such a stupid idea ...[text shortened]... e. Experience is (regrettably) the most oft-used instructor, but she is also the most cruel.[/b]
Originally posted by dottewellfollowed by posts that were deliberately obscure and/or sprinkled with presumption, arrogance and mysticism.
Well, this thread is fairly symptomatic.
An initial observation that masqueraded as a criticism of science, but in fact was not; followed by a pointless argument about definitions and etymology; followed by posts that were deliberately obscure and/or sprinkled with presumption, arrogance and mysticism.
It's no way to live.
Yeah, but take all that away from me, and what have I left?