Happy Easter

Originally posted by FMF
Indonesian Christians don't invest "pagan meaning" in the crucifix.

fine we understand that if they sprinkle it with Holy water its good to go and yet it cannot negate the facts that it is a pagan symbol. Are they also reticent about examining evidence?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sure there is nothing but it does not negate what it is, personally believe? oh dear, i know you dont really do evidence but this should put to flight the rather flimsy assertion that my argument is based on personal belief,

If it's not your personal belief why are you propagating it here?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and yet it cannot negate the facts that it is a pagan symbol.

We know some things are pagan symbols, so what? Christians don't care.

Originally posted by FMF
If it's not your personal belief why are you propagating it here?

because I am interested in these things for its own sake.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/cross_pagan_origins.htm

Unless Abdullah Kareem has evidence that Indonesian Christians invest "pagan meaning" in the crucifix, then I am not sure what his relevance is to what we are discussing.

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Sure, but we have no right to condemn others on such minor issues.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because I am interested in these things for its own sake.

So it is not one of your personal beliefs? It's not something you personally believe?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
fine we understand that if they sprinkle it with Holy water its good to go and yet it cannot negate the facts that it is a pagan symbol. Are they also reticent about examining evidence?

But the evidence here is that they do not invest "pagan meaning" in the crucifix. A symbol only represents the meaning that people invest in it, nothing more and nothing less. And this is so regardless of how strongly your personal feelings are on this matter.

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actually no, for the Christian is counseled quite strongly to keep away from these things if I am honest.

Originally posted by FMF
But the evidence here is that they do not invest "pagan meaning" in the crucifix. A symbol only represents the meaning that people invest in it, nothing more and nothing less. And this is so regardless of how strongly your personal feelings are on this matter.

so you keep saying and yet it does not negate what it is effhim. I provided evidence which you have ignored and continue to assert that its a personal matter, how pathetic. (in the original sense of the word)

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so you keep saying and yet it does not negate what it is effhim. I provided evidence which you have ignored ad continue to assert that its a personal matter, how pathetic.

What evidence did you provide about what the crucifix symbolizes to Indonesian Christians? None. You provided a link to a text written by someone you agree with. He said absolutely nothing about Indonesian Christians.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I provided evidence which you have ignored and continue to assert that its a personal matter, how pathetic. (in the original sense of the word)

But I didn't ignore it. I have addressed what Abdullah Kareem said.