Hearts and minds

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You never upset me, as I'm the underdog here. The worst I can do is to upset you.

If you only had feather, I could say that I'm ruffling them, but since you are only a plucked chicken, I can only say that you upset my stomach, from eating chicken soup. You are not even a cage-free chicken. What have you been feed on in your tight-living quarters?

Seriously, where would I send feedback to? They would arrest me for false alarm.

Besides, you inspire my newfound creativity, and you are not alone. I guess I can put up with the casual upset stomach. Only I have to watch what I eat. Chicken has been known to be recalled a few times, for Salmonella.

@pettytalk said
I grew up in Chicago. My favorite pizza we make at home, still. But dining out, there are a number of places to have excellent pizza in Chicago. Lou Malnati's for pan pizza is first choice. They also have thin pizza on the menu. It's difficult to find the best from so many places which are available in the Chicago area, since so many of them make very good pizza.

But to ...[text shortened]... olic of taking us back to the promised land of the soul, where all our troubles started, and finish.

Great pizza in Chicago no doubt about that. I've been to Wrigley Field maybe 7 times to watch a game, we just lost a dog we had named Wrigley Field, she was precious.

Moses went where he was sent so no mistake there, the riches of this world are not the end goal. Loving the riches of this world over the Lord is a bad thing. I'd also say that I believe Exodus occurred as it was written, but that doesn't mean it isn't also symbolic freeing our physical bodies. Getting the people set free from Egypt happened first, leaving Egypt and getting Egypt out of the people was more troubling.

@kellyjay said
Great pizza in Chicago no doubt about that. I've been to Wrigley Field maybe 7 times to watch a game, we just lost a dog we had named Wrigley Field, she was precious.

Moses went where he was sent so no mistake there, the riches of this world are not the end goal. Loving the riches of this world over the Lord is a bad thing. I'd also say that I believe Exodus occurred as ...[text shortened]... ree from Egypt happened first, leaving Egypt and getting Egypt out of the people was more troubling.

Well, you certainly have thought about my suggest scenarios, since you are providing a related response. And apparently your recent loss is something else we have in common, the love of dogs, which are also precious for me.

Obviously I was only kidding with Moses' lack of sense of direction.

If you care to, I'm open to further discussions on being saved by grace alone, which is the Grace sold by Paul, the one you seem to have bought.

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If you want to call me an idiot, you did not need to strain your mind for finding and using all those words just to obfuscate it, and also impress me with them. All you needed to do is this: "you are an idiot." This I can understand.

@pettytalk said
Well, you certainly have thought about my suggest scenarios, since you are providing a related response. And apparently your recent loss is something else we have in common, the love of dogs, which are also precious for me.

Obviously I was only kidding with Moses' lack of sense of direction.

If you care to, I'm open to further discussions on being saved by grace alone, which is the Grace sold by Paul, the one you seem to have bought.

One of the things that set apart Christianity is that we cannot earn our salvation, we cannot be good enough, we cannot do enough good works, and we cannot learn our way to it, it is God's grace through faith. Faith is a word that has been under attack for some time, people want to treat it as if it were the force in Star Wars, it's as if our faith must rise to the level of acceptability for God to want us, which is a great big NO, again that would us earning merit.

From the web: Faith, derived from Latin fides and Old French feid, is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept.

So it isn't our faith that saves us, it is the object of our faith. We can have faith a bridge is sound so we can safely walk across it, our faith, is our reliance on the bridge, not our mental acceptance of the bridge that makes it worthy of trust.

So when we say we have faith in Christ's blood for our salvation it is the work and worth of Jesus Christ we are trusting in, from there as we give our lives to Him, He gives His life to us. We then start walking with God, who began a good work in us to conform us to the image of Christ. From that point forward we will be doing good works because we have been saved, instead of doing them to get saved. If we are earning our salvation it again goes back to merit, the ones who did it right instead of Jesus who did it for us all.

Some want to mix faith and works, but when they do that what they are doing is saying what Jesus did wasn't enough, they have to add to it.

If you accept Christ's words you need to realize that He said the Holy Spirit would be teaching and leading us, without the Spirit of God we don't belong to God. Jesus also informed us that the Holy Spirit would teach us all things, and bring to our memory what Jesus said. All the truth of God will line up with all the truth of God so nothing someone who is hearing from God should contradict scripture, and if anyone alters the Word so that it conflicts with other scripture there is an issue there too.

John 14:25-27
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“These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

@kellyjay said
One of the things that set apart Christianity is that we cannot earn our salvation, we cannot be good enough, we cannot do enough good works, and we cannot learn our way to it, it is God's grace through faith. Faith is a word that has been under attack for some time, people want to treat it as if it were the force in Star Wars, it's as if our faith must rise to the ...[text shortened]... ot as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

For now we can discuss this, which is you I'm quoting: "One of the things that set apart Christianity is that we cannot earn our salvation, we cannot be good enough, we cannot do enough good works, and we cannot learn our way to it, it is God's grace through faith.

When you say we cannot be good enough and we cannot do enough good works, you mean for salvation? Right?

And if that's your understanding, where did you come with a figure (number) of what is not enough for salvation?

And please, give me your rendition of what salvation involves.
What is the state of salvation? Is it some sort of physical salvation, like praying for a miracle cure, and getting saved from dying of cancer, for which you were praying?

Or is the salvation you understand is for the salvation of the soul which is said to survive physical death? Admission to the Kingdom of God as depicted in Revelation?

If we first discuss these questions, to make certain we are both on the same page, meaning that we are both in agreement to definitions and figures, we can then move on to see were we can find common ground within the Bible itself.

We can use your favorite version, and it would be best to stick to one version only, rather than mixing them up. And if you prefer the ESV, that's fine.

And my suggestion is that we only concentrate in our "dialogue", disregarding any revelers attempting to disrupt our concentration. Paying them attention will only interfere with any progress we hope to achieve on salvation. Salvation is the kernel for our discourse.

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Thanks for following my instructions. There is still hope for you.

@pettytalk said
For now we can discuss this, which is you I'm quoting: "One of the things that set apart Christianity is that we cannot earn our salvation, we cannot be good enough, we cannot do enough good works, and we cannot learn our way to it, it is God's grace through faith.

When you say we cannot be good enough and we cannot do enough good works, you mean for salvation? Right ...[text shortened]... erfere with any progress we hope to achieve on salvation. Salvation is the kernel for our discourse.

I'll put some time into giving you, your answer when I have a little more time free time.

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Why do you so badly want people to think this?

@pettytalk said
For now we can discuss this, which is you I'm quoting: "One of the things that set apart Christianity is that we cannot earn our salvation, we cannot be good enough, we cannot do enough good works, and we cannot learn our way to it, it is God's grace through faith.

When you say we cannot be good enough and we cannot do enough good works, you mean for salvation? Right ...[text shortened]... erfere with any progress we hope to achieve on salvation. Salvation is the kernel for our discourse.

Jesus said He was the way, the truth, and the Life no one comes to Father except through Him. When Adam and Eve sinned they died spiritually, they were no longer connected to the source of all life God. Throughout scripture, Jesus says things like we must be born again, that we must abide in Him who is the Vine and we are the branches our lives were created to be images of God. At creation, God called all life to be fruitful, and Adam and Eve walked with God without shame or guilt, they were as all life at that time connected to the source of their very existence before the fall.

Without God in our lives, we don't have the Spirit of God within us. God calls us to be fruitful, we are to bear fruit acceptable to God, and being disconnected from God we are simply walking out our lives in the flesh and no one can please God there. God is the very source of life, goodness, righteousness, holiness, truth, and all of the other attributes of God the only fruit we can bear without Him would be due to our nature which has been corrupted by sin.

From where we were after the fall there was nothing we could have done to restore that connection, we were simply in our flesh walking in a world of darkness where the god of this world (Satan) has sway.

But God loved us and sent Jesus to redeem us, take on our guilt, guilt that we could not wash away, and Jesus became sin for us so we could have the righteousness of Christ. This is the work of God, not man, if we turn to God and trust Christ for our forgiveness we receive righteousness from God apart from the law, which has been made known to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

John 15:3-5
English Standard Version
Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

John 3:6-8
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Colossians 1:27
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To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Romans 3: 21-26
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But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

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Curiosity can kill chickens, as well as cats.

To note: Chickens don't have nine lives. Once plucked and cooked up, that's it. There's no comeback.