Hearts and minds

@suzianne said
Do you understand what a colloquialism is?

Americans do, Brits seem not to. Pedantic gits to the end.

Do you understand what a colloquialism is?

I do. It's something that one shouldn't base an element of ideology on. The idea that faith is somehow not a product of cognitive function ~ and trying to refer to the wrong bodily organ to make the case ~ is preposterous.

@rajk999 said
What you posted about hearts and minds is not what Jesus or the bible said about hearts and minds. Jesus said to love God with all your heart etc, and Jesus explained it. You ignored Jesus's explanation and made your own.

Clearly you are establishing your own righteousness and not abiding by the righteousness of Christ.

I was ignoring nothing, I was bringing up a different topic, it is possible to talk about things you are not interested in believe it or not, and that isn't a crime. It appears you cannot watch a conversation and not attempt to make it about something other than what you want to say.

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@fmf said
Do you understand what a colloquialism is?

I do. It's something that one shouldn't base an element of ideology on. The idea that faith is somehow not a product of cognitive function ~ and trying to refer to the wrong bodily organ to make the case ~ is preposterous.

As I said, a purely pedantic argument.

@fmf said
My idea about social justice originates in my brain, so you can take it or leave it. By contrast, my idea about the rich paying more in taxes originates in my kidneys and the one about loan forgiveness originates in my pancreas so that makes those ideas special and different from the one about social injustice.

Don't be stupid. You're better than this childishness.

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My comment is purely in the vein of the conversation. If you want to "rock up in here" with your "daily dose of scorn", concentrate on your mate who's arguing about nonsense instead of engaging the thread where it lives.

Meanwhile, neither of you has addressed the core of the OP.

@suzianne said
As I said, a purely pedantic argument.

Not pedantic at all. Do you simply not understand it?

@suzianne said
Don't be stupid. You're better than this childishness.

It's not "childishness". It's satire. Can you not discern that?

@fmf said
The cognitive functions you are attributing to the heart do not happen in the heart. All cognitive functions take place in the mind.

Pretending otherwise might suit your ideology, but that doesn't mean it gets us closer to objective truths about the human condition.

At the risk of defending the infamous FMF I would say he has a valid and serious point he brings up here. A few years ago he started a thread pertaining to the subject of God in mans image. It has been awhile and I have slept a bunch since but if I remember it didn't get much traction. It should have and this very issue would give one insight to a much more interesting and personal growth reading the bible. Our ideology gives no insight to the human condition. For example we ignore passages of the Bible showing God in a bad light by simply saying to ourselves who are we to question God? Ideally God is always good and we just don't understand Gods plan we say never suspecting that man may have made his God in his image. From a human condition standpoint, could it not be a valid interpretation when God says kill all the men women and children but keep the virgin women for yourselves that the priests and leaders of the tribes of a nation may have been justifying their deeds by saying God made us do it? Surely the soldiers would start talking when they got back and there would have to be an explanation of why they were showing up with sex slaves. Which makes more sense? Is it a story of the human condition or an unflattering word of God counter productive to his reputation and his word requiring unlimited mind gymnastics to defend as a believer when just ignoring it fails?

@joe-beyser said
At the risk of defending the infamous FMF I would say he has a valid and serious point he brings up here. A few years ago he started a thread pertaining to the subject of God in mans image. It has been awhile and I have slept a bunch since but if I remember it didn't get much traction. It should have and this very issue would give one insight to a much more interesting and ...[text shortened]... nd his word requiring unlimited mind gymnastics to defend as a believer when just ignoring it fails?

It is man in God’s image and man corrupted himself so the image of man is altered by sin. This is a poor reflection on man than God.

@kellyjay said
It is man in God’s image and man corrupted himself so the image of man is altered by sin. This is a poor reflection on man than God.

I really do understand what you are saying. The only way you can make your statement about a poor reflection on man than God in light of the many stories within the pages of the bible is by saying we can not know the mind of God and everything he does has to be good. With the atrocities God has committed in these ancient texts, doesn't that open the door to any one or any thing to claim to be God?

@joe-beyser said
I really do understand what you are saying. The only way you can make your statement about a poor reflection on man than God in light of the many stories within the pages of the bible is by saying we can not know the mind of God and everything he does has to be good. With the atrocities God has committed in these ancient texts, doesn't that open the door to any one or any thing to claim to be God?

You can judge God if you want unlike you He sees the beginning from the end, no variable is missing from His knowledge. So when He judges and takes actions against sin it will come from a place of righteousness, justice, goodness, holiness, mercy, and love.

I think when we stand before Him and everything is fully revealed every knee will bow. Right now His forbearance is allowing us time to own our sins so we can be forgiven, condemning God isn’t wise but if you think you are justified that alone should tell you something about you.

@kellyjay said
You can judge God if you want unlike you He sees the beginning from the end, no variable is missing from His knowledge. So when He judges and takes actions against sin it will come from a place of righteousness, justice, goodness, holiness, mercy, and love.

I think when we stand before Him and everything is fully revealed every knee will bow. Right now His forbearance ...[text shortened]... ng God isn’t wise but if you think you are justified that alone should tell you something about you.

What you call judging God isn't that at all and it is my fault for not being more clear. Not that I think you care or that I am trying to convince you of something I shall state my heart and mind condition. In my heart God is good, and in my mind God is good regardless of what the bible says. Many believe that God allowed a serpent to sour our relationship with God. Many also think God allowed angels to have sex with women souring/corrupting mankind's seed. Could it be God has allowed corruption of his written word as well? If it is a possibility, then could there be bad mixed with the good? I have often wondered what my faith in God would be if I thought the bible was Gods true word. In my heart it isn't and the more I read over time my mind confirms this. Genocide, slavery, favoritism, misogyny, conditional love, payment for gifts, self loathing etc. just does not add up for me. Read that bible in light of the human condition and it opens up a whole new understanding and builds faith. When a God has to have sacrifice to forgive when a loving human parent does not, doesn't that send up a red flag to you? The story of Adam and Eve is akin to parents that built a sandbox for their children to play in and left a hand grenade in it and told them to leave it alone. Then they let Edie Haskell come over and play with the children while they were gone. Boom!!! The parents go to the hospital pissed at the kids and when they get home have to do daily rituals to make up for it. After awhile the parents say we love you so much you don't have to do these things anymore because we killed your oldest brother so that all is forgiven. I hope I am not offending you with this, but keep in mind the many books of the bible were written at a time, in a place and in a culture where, Genocide, slavery, misogyny, animal and human sacrifice and a bunch of other bad stuff were considered, normal, necessary and good. It just doesn't track well in most cultures today. God does, but the deeds attributed to him from ancient times do not. Plus that, the bible is much more interesting when approached with true faith as opposed to blind faith.