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Originally posted by DoctorScribbles[a] about the same time, to my understanding, sent man out of eden with eve, and the devil to a kingdom with out god.
When did God create hell -- before or after the fall of man?
Who was the first person to go to hell?
[b] the devil and his followers, unless you mean in human terms,
Originally posted by ZahlanziDid man know murder was a sin before God issued the Sixth Commandment?
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which is pretty messed up.
If man already knew that murder was wrong, what was the point of issuing the Commandment?
Also, wouldn't this also indicate that man actually does have the capacity to make correct moral judgments without being informed by God's word?
On the other hand, if man didn't know that murder was wrong, was it just for God to send Cain to hell?
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat is something that Christians tend to not have their story straight about. Some say that hell is nothing more than a place separate from God, in which case the devil's presence isn't essential.
If not then Hell wouldn't be hell without the bad guy running it, now would it?
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesGen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
...man actually does have the capacity to make correct moral judgments without being informed by God's word ...
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
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Originally posted by Rajk999If the fact that two people eating the fruit actually imparted knowledge of good and evil to all of their descendants ever after, what was the point of issuing the Commandments? Weren't they just superfluous at that point? Didn't everybody, in virtue of the ancestral fruit consumption, already know that it was wrong to covet and steal and murder and so on?
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYes.
If the fact that two people eating the fruit actually imparted knowledge of good and evil to all of their descendants ever after, what was the point of issuing the Commandments? Weren't they just superfluous at that point? Didn't everybody, in virtue of the ancestral fruit consumption, already know that it was wrong to covet and steal and murder and so on?
Why do employers tell employees that its wrong to steal, arrive late, make personal phone calls on the company line when they already know all that. Why do governments do it?
You still need to have the law written down because not everything is easily understood. Do you think that people will think of their own conscience that God wants them to observe the sabbath?
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by Rajk999God could have saved himself much trouble by just going public...
Yes.
Why do employers tell employees that its wrong to steal, arrive late, make personal phone calls on the company line when they already know all that. Why do governments do it?
You still need to have the law written down because not everything is easily understood. Do you think that people will think of their own conscience that God wants them to observe the sabbath?
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesits allegory, not an actual event
If the fact that two people eating the fruit actually imparted knowledge of good and evil to all of their descendants ever after, what was the point of issuing the Commandments? Weren't they just superfluous at that point? Didn't everybody, in virtue of the ancestral fruit consumption, already know that it was wrong to covet and steal and murder and so on?
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There is no concept of hell, purgatory, eternal torment and damnation for the wicked or ungodly anywhere in the original Hebrew scriptures nor in the Greek scriptures, the source of these present day church teachings seem to stem from a bastardisation of the original Hebrew/Greek words for the common grave of mankind, as a direct result of inaccurate translation from the original languages. the fact that many churches still cling to this superstition is evidence of their own inability to understand, accurately the scriptures which they purport to support! I defy anyone to prove otherwise!
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat would you then say about this passage in the Hebrew Bible ?
Apologies, wrong post
There is no concept of hell, purgatory, eternal torment and damnation for the wicked or ungodly anywhere in the original Hebrew scriptures nor in the Greek scriptures, the source of these present day church teachings seem to stem from a bastardisation of the original Hebrew/Greek words for the common grave of mankind, as a di ...[text shortened]... tand, accurately the scriptures which they purport to support! I defy anyone to prove otherwise!
"And many of those who are sleeping in the dust of the ground will awake, some to life eternal and some to reproach, to eternal contempt." (Daniel 12:2)