Herman Cain, Christianity, Leadership

Originally posted by divegeester
So how do you account for pagan Rome and it's Empirical and Republican dynasties effectively ruling the civilised world for several thousands of years? Good luck...?

I am not saying there is nobody to govern, but the problem is that they are not qualified because all the governments of the world allow war, gambling, alcohol, drugs, crime, animal slaughter, false education and false science and false religion and so on.

A qualified leader would put an end to all of that, because they genuinely have the welfare of the people at heart.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You think you are wise and know the truth, but you don't understand
true Christianity. You know Christianity from the Roman Catholic Church
and others that mix truth with error. Can your God tell the end from
the beginning like the Christian God. How many prophecies has your
God made that have come true? Is your God always right? Can your
God raise the dead back to life? What can your God do?

No dead person has ever come back to life. (its the big bluff) perpetrated by false religion.

When the body dies it rots and becomes dust in the wind.

But the soul continues to its next destination and takes birth again. (this is true knowledge)

Originally posted by Dasa
I am not saying there is nobody to govern, but the problem is that they are not qualified because all the governments of the world allow war, gambling, alcohol, drugs, crime, animal slaughter, false education and false science and false religion and so on.

A qualified leader would put an end to all of that, because they genuinely have the welfare of the people at heart.

Please explain how one person could possibly achieve that?

Besides what is "qualified"; perhaps you should collate all your posts here at rhp and publish them as a sort of living manifesto and see how you do?

Originally posted by Dasa
No dead person has ever come back to life. (its the big bluff) perpetrated by false religion.

When the body dies it rots and becomes dust in the wind.

But the soul continues to its next destination and takes birth again. (this is true knowledge)

I'm presuming that your evidence for souls continuing after death is far more substantive than the Christians claim that a person was raised from the dead...Otherwise you would be a hypocrite, right?

Originally posted by Dasa
No dead person has ever come back to life. (its the big bluff) perpetrated by false religion.

When the body dies it rots and becomes dust in the wind.

But the soul continues to its next destination and takes birth again. (this is true knowledge)

So you don't need a god. Since your god doesn't do anything.

Originally posted by divegeester
I'm presuming that your evidence for souls continuing after death is far more substantive than the Christians claim that a person was raised from the dead...Otherwise you would be a hypocrite, right?

Computers light up and everything looks alive on the screen, but we all know that it is only possible because of electricity being the energy of the system.

Likewise the body functions as it does (consciousness) because of the presence of the soul and the functions of the body are supported by the soul as well.

Take away the soul and you will have a dead body which will turn to dust.

Take away the electricity from the computer and you will be left with a pile of wires and plastic, and come back in a trillion years and it will be dust in the wind as well.

Nowhere in the history of the world have we seen a dead body rise up and walk away (its the big bluff)........but the soul which was actually the living particle travels to its next destination and is born again in the womb of its next mother.

False religion would tell you that they can make you eternal, if you just join their congregation (this is another big bluff), because you are already eternal because you are an eternal conscious spiritual being and can never be destroyed.....ever.

The soul is made of spiritual energy which is indestructible and eternal, and this soul is part of the the big soul God.

Doesn't science talk of anti matter and dark energy and stuff like that, well then it not so much harder to understand that there is another energy (spiritual energy) besides material energy...........is it?

We cannot see spiritual energy with the eyes but there are many things we cannot see but we know there is something there because of the signs or symptoms it displays.

By its intrinsic nature the soul is conscious and living and has identity or ego, and when the soul enters the world through the facility called birth, it acquires a false ego for that particular situation meaning if that the soul was born in Iran it would believe it is an Iranian, but if it was born in America it would believe it is an American.

No soul is American or Iranian or Australian or Russian because these are just false labels given to the body for a short time until the body meets death again.

This is why we are all connected together eternally because we are all spiritual beings connected to the supreme spiritual being God. (we are all brothers and sisters eternally) and this will never change....ever.

Originally posted by Dasa
Computers light up and everything looks alive on the screen, but we all know that it is only possible because of electricity being the energy of the system.

Likewise the body functions as it does (consciousness) because of the presence of the soul and the functions of the body are supported by the soul as well.

Take away the soul and you will have a dead ...[text shortened]... tual being God. (we are all brothers and sisters eternally) and this will never change....ever.

It is the spirit, not the soul that is like the electicity. When the spirit unites
with the body, it becomes a living soul. The life comes from the Spirit of God.
When the soul dies the body returns to the dust of the earth and the spirit
returns to God, who gave it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is the spirit, not the soul that is like the electicity. When the spirit unites
with the body, it becomes a living soul. The life comes from the Spirit of God.
When the soul dies the body returns to the dust of the earth and the spirit
returns to God, who gave it.

The individual soul is a little piece of God just like the sun ray is a little piece of the sun.

The soul has no existence outside of God and is eternally connected to God.

The spirit of God is the all pervading spiritual energy of God which is in all places and that's why we say God is omnipresent.

Gods all pervading spirit and the soul are similar, but our soul is not all pervading like God.

The spirit does not unite with the body because the spirit is already everywhere through its omnipresent feature.

The body becomes living because the soul enters into the womb by way of the semen from the man at conception.

Christianity tells us that the soul enters the body at birth, but this is false.

Would you trust knowledge coming from a religion that tells you that animal slaughter is acceptable? and in fact we should worship God with burnt offerings of flesh.........not me.

Originally posted by Dasa
Computers light up and everything looks alive on the screen, but we all know that it is only possible because of electricity being the energy of the system.

Likewise the body functions as it does (consciousness) because of the presence of the soul and the functions of the body are supported by the soul as well.

Take away the soul and you will have a dead ...[text shortened]... tual being God. (we are all brothers and sisters eternally) and this will never change....ever.

Thanks for bothering to write 25 lines of obfuscation when 1 would have done.

Originally posted by divegeester
Thanks for bothering to write 25 lines of obfuscation when 1 would have done.

It is a sad religion that has its followers display an aversion to spiritual knowledge.

This is what happens when persons blindly except false religion ..........they cannot take on any more spiritual knowledge because they have allowed themselves to be limited by false doctrine.

The entirety of that false doctrine would fit into a small book and they believe that this small book is the limit to spiritual knowledge and understanding.

On the other hand the Vedas would need thousands of books to to inform the student of the width and depth of true spiritual knowledge.

There would not be enough ink or paper in this world to write down all the names of the Supreme Personality of Godhead described in the Vedas.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism the fabricated religions of the flesh eaters and animal killers................how sad it all is.

Originally posted by Dasa
It is a sad religion that has its followers display an aversion to spiritual knowledge.

This is what happens when persons blindly except false religion ..........they cannot take on any more spiritual knowledge because they have allowed themselves to be limited by false doctrine.

The entirety of that false doctrine would fit into a small book and they be ...[text shortened]... he fabricated religions of the flesh eaters and animal killers................how sad it all is.

I'm presuming that your evidence for souls continuing after death is far more substantive than the Christians claim that a person was raised from the dead...Otherwise you would be a hypocrite, right?

Originally posted by divegeester
I'm presuming that your evidence for souls continuing after death is far more substantive than the Christians claim that a person was raised from the dead...Otherwise you would be a hypocrite, right?

Most spiritual knowledge is realized knowledge developing in the pure heart of the person engaged in the spiritual life.

The knowledge can be tested by the empirical methods because the subject is the consciousness and the method is the living of the spiritual life to the fullest.

When the process is followed the consciousness is raised and the results are witnessed.

The knowledge rises up in the heart of the qualified practician-er.

This is where the scientific person has much trouble because if they cant see it under a microscope it doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Dasa
Most spiritual knowledge is realized knowledge developing in the pure heart of the person engaged in the spiritual life.

The knowledge can be tested by the empirical methods because the subject is the consciousness and the method is the living of the spiritual life to the fullest.

When the process is followed the consciousness is raised and the results ar ...[text shortened]... ntific person has much trouble because if they cant see it under a microscope it doesn't exist.

So do you have evidence that raises your claim of souls continuing after death above the Christian claims of resurrection or not?

Originally posted by divegeester
So do you have evidence that raises your claim of souls continuing after death above the Christian claims of resurrection or not?

As I have just said.....there is evidence but the evidence is subjective to the person living the spiritual life by following the process of spiritual living and receiving realization in the heart.

When they follow the process the knowledge of life after death becomes realized because the consciousness is raised.

But leaving aside what I have just said...............we all know that the body will never jumped out of the grave and walked away because it rots and becomes dust in the wind.

So if the body is finished at death then who is the real person who just lived their 80 year life on earth?

The real person is the spiritual soul that was occupying the body for those 80 years, and now that the body is finished the soul has no need of it and transmigrates to another life to get a new body through the process of reproduction and birth.

If a soul can enter a body and take birth once, why could it not do it again? and again? and again?

It does.

Originally posted by Dasa
As I have just said.....there is evidence but the evidence is subjective to the person living the spiritual life by following the process of spiritual living and receiving realization in the heart.

When they follow the process the knowledge of life after death becomes realized because the consciousness is raised.

But leaving aside what I have just said... ...[text shortened]... nter a body and take birth once, why could it not do it again? and again? and again?

It does.

But this is just conjecture and ideas. Please show me the evidence you have that the soul progresses after death.