1 edit
@moonbus saidAlternatively they might say he is manifest in all of nature and the cosmos. Though, such contention would be problematic for a "personal" deity and more aligned with an animist view of reality, or maybe more accurately a cosmopsychist view.
Christians would say that he did show himself, in human form.
@KellyJay saidI would admonish against externalizing the primary causes for the development of injurious technologies to an abstract methodology, such as the scientific method. What you are lamenting is human nature itself, and the wiles of the human intellect. According to your theology, these traits were breathed into the human soul at the very beginning by the Creator, or else were acquired by eating from the Tree of Knowledge which the Creator made readily accessible to the first humans.
Think of all the deaths that science caused, from atomic weapons, biological weapons, and all of the new, improved weapons. Will you be consistent in condemning science? For me, man is the common denominator at the root of all evil that we do; you have blinders on.
@Soothfast saidIf I paint a picture does it have a soul or is it a personal creation serving a certain purpose of my choosing or need/desire? Would you say this is a reflection of me?
Alternatively they might say he is manifest in all of nature and the cosmos. Though, such contention would be problematic for a "personal" deity and more aligned with an animist view of reality, or maybe more accurately a cosmopsychist view.
1 edit
@Soothfast saidOr a pantheistic view.
Alternatively they might say he is manifest in all of nature and the cosmos. Though, such contention would be problematic for a "personal" deity and more aligned with an animist view of reality, or maybe more accurately a cosmopsychist view.
God has a name. It's personal because God is a person. The "cosmos" is created matter and energy. (Biblical view)
1 edit
@Suzianne saidGood heavens, madam!
But, in the case of Christianity (indeed, all religion) you are presented with a clear 'good' and a clear 'evil'. You (okay, well, we) are told that to choose 'poorly', we lay ourselves open to retribution as a direct result of that choice. 'Evil' is a manifestation of 'selfishness', which we already understand to be a bad thing. We are shown the bad reaction to 'e ...[text shortened]... ntly the Judeo-Christian God, hide himself from humans. My answer was, and is, "because free will".
My view is that verbiage can be an obstruction, so these days I might not even recommend "OM". 😉
@mike69 saidNever, never lose that "Blunder King" descriptor, because this looks to be the second post of mine here that you've misinterpreted.
If I paint a picture does it have a soul or is it a personal creation serving a certain purpose of my choosing or need/desire? Would you say this is a reflection of me?
You're intimating that the universe is something akin to God's art project. However, what I was saying is that some self-professed Christians interpret the universe as being of God, and not existing as a creation standing apart from God.
@Soothfast saidExactly, and I’m saying it isn’t, that it is a creation of Gods for a specific reason
Never, never lose that "Blunder King" descriptor, because this looks to be the second post of mine here that you've misinterpreted.
You're intimating that the universe is something akin to God's art project. However, what I was saying is that some self-professed Christians interpret the universe as being of God, and not existing as a creation standing apart from God.
@Soothfast saidDo you want to play the Blunder King silly boy.
Never, never lose that "Blunder King" descriptor, because this looks to be the second post of mine here that you've misinterpreted.
You're intimating that the universe is something akin to God's art project. However, what I was saying is that some self-professed Christians interpret the universe as being of God, and not existing as a creation standing apart from God.
@Soothfast saidIt is human behavior that I’m lambasting, not science or religion. It is easy to call Christians hypocrites, mainly because we are. The reason I say that is that we all fall short; everyone sees our faults and what we strive for, yet we often fail at it. While someone who writes their own rules and can change them on the fly can say when they miss their mark, well, I meant to do that because I intended to do so. It is only when they condemn someone for something they do that their failures become undeniable.
I would admonish against externalizing the primary causes for the development of injurious technologies to an abstract methodology, such as the scientific method. What you are lamenting is human nature itself, and the wiles of the human intellect. According to your theology, these traits were breathed into the human soul at the very beginning by the Creator, or else were ac ...[text shortened]... by eating from the Tree of Knowledge which the Creator made readily accessible to the first humans.
I was pointing out that if you are going to say religion because of the deaths involved killed so many, then science is just as guilty. Like you said, you really cannot charge either science or religion since they are only used as the people involved in them use them for good or evil.
@Soothfast said27 So God created mankind in his own image,
Your opinion.
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
@Soothfast said1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Your opinion.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.