Hinduism, backdrop to the caste system

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no , i am asking you, as a materialist, how you distinguish between the two, for clearly in the case of the catholic church, either a persons paedophilia led to homosexual acts, or their homosexuality led to paedophilia, how do you distinguish between the two, i am asking you.

How do you distinguish between the two?

Is this a wind up?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL, dont flatter yourself mate, i have a beautiful brown Pakistani wife who treats me like a divine one!

gluttons have been removed, over excess to alcohol is a form of gluttony, as for overweight, i cant say, i am not in a position of responsibility and have no way of knowing.

Maybe you could ask your elders at the next meeting how many overweight people have been removed from the congregation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
firstly, perhaps you missed it, God knows it was made plain enough, the Bible equates homosexuality with paedophilia, i merely used it to state what the official position of Jehovahs Witnesses is, i will not be drawn into a personal argument, if you dont like that, i suggest you pick a fight with someone else.

the law is now obsolete in practice, ...[text shortened]... sacrifices etc, although the principles remain, before i go any further, do you understand this?

Okay, you proved your point. Let's stop before you give personal attacks and aggression from your side.

You wrote: "here is an experiment for you to try, speak against the watchtower in your place of employment, then speak against the practice of homosexuality, come back and tell me how long you lasted with either." And you showed very clearly, now, and earlier, that it's not so safe to criticize JW. People criticizing JW should go to mental doctor, you want me to quote you on that, or do you remember youreslf? It tends to be very ugly after a while. You've shown this.

So between visiting a gay bar or visiting an open JW meeting? I rather chose the gay bar. They are nicer. They don't have so much preducies. They are more christian, so to say.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How do you distinguish between the two?

Is this a wind up?

no its serious, i am asking you to distinguish not in terms of acts, but on motivation, were they compelled by their homosexuality, or were they compelled by their paedophilia and unnatural desire? are you willing to contend that they are both paedophiles and homosexuals?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Okay, you proved your point. Let's stop before you give personal attacks and aggression from your side.

You wrote: "here is an experiment for you to try, speak against the watchtower in your place of employment, then speak against the practice of homosexuality, come back and tell me how long you lasted with either." And you showed very clearly, now, an ...[text shortened]... ar. They are nicer. They don't have so much preducies. They are more christian, so to say.

best of luck to you Spanky, watch your bum for love bites though.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Maybe you could ask your elders at the next meeting how many overweight people have been removed from the congregation.

why its none of my business why someone is removed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its serious, i am asking you to distinguish not in terms of acts, but on motivation, were they compelled by their homosexuality, or were they compelled by their paedophilia and unnatural desire? are you willing to contend that they are both paedophiles and homosexuals?

Rob, not all paedophiles are homosexuals.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Rob, not all paedophiles are homosexuals.

i know, dear Noobster, i know, is the question too difficult?

can you deny that in some of those cases it was a persons homosexuality which led to their committing an act of paedophilia?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i know, dear Noobster, i know, is the question too difficult?

can you deny that in some of those cases it was a persons homosexuality which led to their committing an act of paedophilia?

I don't see how someones sexual orientation would lead them to commit an act of paedophilia.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I don't see how someones sexual orientation would lead them to commit an act of paedophilia.

why, how can you be so certain so as to make a distinction? indeed taking your statement further, are we to believe, that the depraved individuals chose almost exclusively boys because it was simply circumstance? indeed, had the catholic church purged themselves of homosexuals, would the horrendous figures have been so high and widespread, for if we are to believe that they were singularly paedophiles, then the catholic church must attract hundreds of paedophiles every year, in fact, exclusively paedophiles in reference to these acts. are we to believe that?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hey beetle, thankyou for taking the time to read the paper.

yes i read that the vedic verses were deemed by some to be an interpolation, but not knowing enough to determine whether this was the case or not, i took it upon trust that it may be the case. i think that i mentioned that in the original text, there was no provision made for the caste ...[text shortened]... an separate it from social convention so as to make a distinction, then i stand to be corrected.

According to miscellaneous exoteric traditions Karma (Sk. Karman, meaning literally: mission/ debt/ role and only under esoteric terms action/ energy, T. las) is the mechanism you understand regarding the Dalit case (positive/ negative actions produce positive/ negative results etc. etc.). Of course, if we see it this way, it is a universal archetype adopted in general by every society regardless religion, time, nationality and culture, and of course it is adopted by the fundamentalist Hindus too
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
best of luck to you Spanky, watch your bum for love bites though.

I don't want any lovebites from you, if you don't mind. That would be ... eh ... inappropriate.

You have much hate in you, robbie, you do know that, don't you? They don't bother you, still you harbour much unchristian hate for them.

Yet you are very interested what they're doing behind their bedroomdoor.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why, how can you be so certain so as to make a distinction? indeed taking your statement further, are we to believe, that the depraved individuals chose almost exclusively boys because it was simply circumstance? indeed, had the catholic church purged themselves of homosexuals, would the horrendous figures have been so high and widespread, for if we ...[text shortened]... very year, in fact, exclusively paedophiles in reference to these acts. are we to believe that?

Sorry Rob, i have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by black beetle
According to miscellaneous exoteric traditions Karma (Sk. Karman, meaning literally: mission/ debt/ role and only under esoteric terms action/ energy, T. las) is the mechanism you understand regarding the Dalit case (positive/ negative actions produce positive/ negative results etc. etc.). Of course, if we see it this way, it is a universal archetype ad ...[text shortened]... time, nationality and culture, and of course it is adopted by the fundamentalist Hindus too
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what about the aspect of their profession dear beetle, surely this is reflected also in Hindu belief ( i myself dont know the text, but i can understand the reasons why)

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry Rob, i have no idea what you are talking about.

you are saying that a persons sexual orientation will not lead them to commit an act of paedophilia, then we are being asked to believe that in the thousands of child abuse cases perpetuated in the catholic church were solely and exclusively perpetrated by paedophiles and not homosexuals.