Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am not interested in whether or not you want to attach the word "objective" to your condemnation of rape. I am not interested in whether or not you want to attach the word "objective" to my condemnation of rape. I condemn rape. If you can come up with some argument that you think I might one day adopt that says that rape is not wrong, run it past me. I will respond candidly. It will be a test of my moral sensibilities.
I believe rape is objectively wrong. Do you?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou are simply ignoring what I am saying to you in this discussion. I have addressed what it is you are trying to do with your use of terminology head on. But you are acting as if you haven't read what it is I am saying ~ and framing it as me not addressing the issues. I am addressing the issues and you are merely blanking it out. We disagree about something, and while I am quite happy for that to be so, you seem unamble to comprehend it, and unable to bear it. Rape is wrong, Fetchmyjunk. If you think one day that I will argue that rape is not wrong, as you have suggested I might, what kind of argument do you imagine I might use?
Explaining to me why you have ignored giving me a direct response does not negate that fact that you have not given me a direct response.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI believe that rape is wrong. I believe any attempt to justify it would be moral nonsense. I take personal responsibility for my own moral actions and will always try to offer some justification for the moral stances that I take.
I believe rape is objectively wrong. Do you?
Whatever declarations you happen to make about your own opinions being "universal", "absolute", "true" or "objective", they have no bearing on the source, the integrity or the efficacy of my moral sensibilities or actions, although it clearly appears to be very important to you to declare that they do, and, indeed, to declare that "it doesn't matter" what my moral code is or that "it makes no logical sense" etc. etc. ad nauseam.
I will take away from this discussion the overall conclusion that your particular form of self-centred and self-righteous posturing is simply a function of your religiosity, which also seems to have deprived you of an ability to comprehend (or perhaps even tolerate) perspectives that differ from yours.
Originally posted by FMFSo you would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong? Thanks for clarifying that.
I believe that rape is wrong. I believe any attempt to justify it would be moral nonsense. I take personal responsibility for my own moral actions and will always try to offer some justification for the moral stances that I take.
Whatever declarations you happen to make about your own opinions being "universal", "absolute", "true" or "objective", they have n ...[text shortened]... you of an ability to comprehend (or perhaps even tolerate) perspectives that differ from yours.
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-Removed-I think you are taking the piss. If you weren't you could simply google what 'subjective' and 'objective' means in a philosophical discussion on ethics.
FMF could believe that 'rape is wrong' regardless of what anyone thinks about it. In that case it would be 'objectively wrong' or a universal truth. Or he could believe that 'rape is wrong' simply because he believes it is but he could be wrong, and someone else who believes that rape is not wrong could also be right because his view is only 'subjectively right'.