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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok so if the atrocities of the holocaust are not universally wrong, you believe that in some situations they may be justified. Understood.
No, I think the premeditated murder of 6,000,000 people was wrong and, unlike you, I also believe it was far more "evil" thing than getting angry with a sibling. If someone wanted to repeat the Holocaust I would be morally opposed to it and would probably be willing (if able) to kill people in order to stop them carrying out.

I don't need your Bible to help me perceive the genocide of the Jews in the C20th was morally wrong; indeed, I have clashed several times with sonship on this forum who sought to justify at least one genocide perpetrated by the ancient Hebrews which the "holy" scriptures you subscribe to would have us believe your god figure ordered.

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Originally posted by FMF
I have already told you what I think the sources of my moral sensibilities are. And I wrote two or three long posts laying out what it means to be a moral being and how one arrives at making moral decisions. You simply ignored them
But since these moral sensibilities are not absolute, they can change with the weather right?


Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Why do you insist on me copying and pasting a post from the past when what applies yesterday may not apply today?
Because I think you are being deliberately deceitful about what I have said.

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Originally posted by FMF
No, I think the premeditated murder of 6,000,000 people was wrong and, unlike you, I also believe it was far more "evil" thing than getting angry with a sibling. If someone wanted to repeat the Holocaust I would be morally opposed to it and would probably be willing (if able) to kill people in order to stop them carrying out.

I don't need your Bible to help ...[text shortened]... rews which the "holy" scriptures you subscribe to would have us believe your god figure ordered.
But if you don't believe that genocide is universally wrong you would have to concede that certain situations could possibly justify it.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But since these moral sensibilities are not absolute, they can change with the weather right?
Give me a scenario where you think my moral stances on rape and murder "can change with the weather". Mind you, you gave me scenarios (after a fashion) before and then completely blanked out my answers.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But if you don't believe that genocide is universally wrong you would have to concede that certain situations could possibly justify it.
What situations? Give me some examples and we can test the consistency of my mortal thinking and decisions.

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Originally posted by FMF
Because I think you are being deliberately deceitful about what I have said.
Tell me exactly what you think I am being deceitful about and what I have misrepresented.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But since you don't claim to believe in universal truth, your views on morality are not cast in stone anyway. So today an act can be immoral and tomorrow the exact same act can be moral.
Well if you and I do immoral acts "tomorrow", then ~ yeah ~ we will have done immoral acts. That much is true.

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Originally posted by FMF
Give me a scenario where you think my moral stances on rape and murder "can change with the weather". Mind you, you gave me scenarios (after a fashion) before and then completely blanked out my answers.
If your stances are not absolute it follows logically that they can change.


Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Tell me exactly what you think I am being deceitful about and what I have misrepresented.
Go back and read the post in which I initially complained about it. You just ignored it.

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Originally posted by FMF
Well if you and I do immoral acts "tomorrow", then ~ yeah ~ we will have done immoral acts. That much is true.
Only if the standard for measuring right and wrong acts is unchanging, which you don't believe to be the case.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If your stances are not absolute it follows logically that they can change.
Give me a scenario in which my moral objection to rape and the sexual assault of children for example, might change "logically". Let's test my moral code.

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Originally posted by FMF
Go back and read the post in which I initially complained about it. You just ignored it.
I responded with the exact scenario that I thought you were depicting. And you just ignored it.

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Originally posted by FMF
Give me a scenario in which my moral objection to rape and the sexual assault of children for example, might change "logically". Let's test my moral code.
Either your moral code is absolute or it can change. So which is it? You can't have it both ways.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Only if the standard for measuring right and wrong acts is unchanging, which you don't believe to be the case.
My moral objection to rape and murder has been unchanging my whole life long.

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