Originally posted by FetchmyjunkNo. And, unless you haven't been reading any of my posts, you already know why I am not saying that or anything remotely like it.
But then aren't you saying that the moral principles you hold yourself responsible to are always right and are therefore absolute in that sense?
Originally posted by FMFYou ask me to build a case, and when I ask you a leading question you dodge it and label it a rip-cord. So it seems you would really prefer me not to build a case.
More go-to off-the-shelf ripcord blather from you. Look, you can go onand one and one and on about how your god figure and your afterlife and your supernatural phenomena are all "the truth" and insist that your mythology and superstitions "correspond to reality and logic" till you are blue in the face, I have no reason to believe you.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYes. You're right. Let me correct myself. When I said "If you want me to believe you when you claim there has been some supernatural intervention in matters of morality, then you need to make your case", I should have said "If you want people to believe you when you claim there has been some supernatural intervention in matters of morality, then you need to make your case. But I have given you since April, and I am no longer interested, so make your case to someone else." Apologies for not saying that the first time round.
You ask me to build a case, and when I ask you a leading question you dodge it and label it a rip-cord. So it seems you would really prefer me not to build a case.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkPeople may disagree with them, certainly. And I often do reflect upon my own actions and even my own principles (and my application of them) and call myself out for doing wrong, and being wrong. Doesn't everyone? Don't you?
So the moral principles you hold yourself to may be wrong? Is that correct?
Originally posted by FMFYou are dodging the question yet again. I didn't ask whether anyone may disagree with them. I asked whether they are wrong. By absolute I don't mean everyone agrees with them, I mean they are correct whether people agree with them or not. So is that a yes or a no?
People may disagree with them, certainly. And I often do reflect upon my own actions and even my own principles (and my application of them) and call myself out for doing wrong, and being wrong. Doesn't everyone? Don't you?
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Originally posted by FMF
Yes. You're right. Let me correct myself. When I said "If you want me to believe you when you claim there has been some supernatural intervention in matters of morality, then you need to make your case", I should have said "If you want people to believe you when you claim there has been some supernatural intervention in matters of morality, then you need to make ...[text shortened]... erested, so make your case to someone else." Apologies for not saying that the first time round.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWho said there is a 'right' moral system?
If you say you got your standard of morality from society, then which society has the right moral system when they contradict each other?
How many times do i have to say I don't believe in absolutes. Morality may very well (and does) vary from society to society.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkNo. I haven't dodged the question at all. I think I have answered it and done so very well and honestly. I think I have explained my answer really clearly and succinctly. I acknowledge that you might wish I'd say something else and I already know that you disagree with my perspective, but I have not dodged the question.
You are dodging the question yet again.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThe 10 Commandments suggest you should not kill.
When you say something is good or evil it means you assume there's such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But if you assume a moral law, you must posit a moral Law Giver. I believe the moral law giver is God. If God does not exist it means good and evil is only based on the subjective opinions of man and there is no objective standard by which to differentiate between good and evil.
Yet, in this thread you have said you would kill, in self defense. A court of law may find you not guilty, but what about God?
You have already dismissed this 'absolute'.
Even though you have a 'law giver', you will still disobey?
Originally posted by FMFI asked you a yes/no question. So is your answer no?
No. I haven't dodged the question at all. I think I have answered it and done so very well and honestly. I think I have explained my answer really clearly and succinctly. I acknowledge that you might wish I'd say something else and I already know that you disagree with my perspective, but I have not dodged the question.