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Originally posted by knightmeisterI don't care if your god has eyes, or whether it has eyes in its arse.
I imagine God to be without boundaries both in time or space and having no beginning or end.
Pure speculation would lead me to imagine the universe existing as a small ball , funnel whatever within a vast expanse of white light of unimaginable power and holiness.
Within this context I see space/ time as an illusionary facet of the universe but rtainly don't see God as a singularity though.
Are you going to ask me if he has eyes now?
I care that your reasoning is contradictory and that this is because you have an incoherent formulation of your gods existence. Your explanation above was not useful and all the blabber about holiness I coul have done without.
Originally posted by knightmeisterAnd therefore the future is static. Free will cannot exist. Free will is an 'illusionary facet of the universe'.
Within this context I see space/ time as an illusionary facet of the universe but not really existing. Existence in it's pure form would be timeless.
So why do you keep claiming otherwise?
Originally posted by AgergOk , but you did ask. Back to earth now. Do you understand that time is relative and not Newtonian?
I don't care if your god has eyes, or whether it has eyes in its arse.
I care that your reasoning is contradictory and that this is because you have an incoherent formulation of your gods existence. Your explanation above was not useful and all the blabber about holiness I coul have done without.
For example , do you understand that something can be said to have happened but also not happened and for both to be true (depending on your position in time)?
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-Removed-You make the same mistake as KM in that you do not consider the state of and therefore implications of your gods outside of our time existence.
You're trying to make your argument work by handwaving.
The entire proposition is illogcal...magic solutions won't cut it.
If your god created the universe and exists outside of our timeline, then by omniscience he can see the entirety of our timeline at the moment of creation.
He in effect sees what we have done at the instant he created our universe, and so determines what we have done by the very act of creating it.
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-Removed-"If you are given a choice of A or B, and after some thought you choose B. God viewing from outside of time sees your "choice" and knows what it will be."
By asserting this without actually going into the details. (It is the details that kill your argument)
Did you intend to respond to the rest of my post?
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-Removed-As I said to KM earlier it is most efficient to counter questions such as:
"how do you know God doesn't exist" with "you wouldn't understand"; for though this is simple to me, it incomprehensible to you.
I wish I had because this has been a waste of time.
I'll simply copy and paste what you ignored earlier:
If your god created the universe and exists outside of our timeline, then by omniscience he can see the entirety of our timeline at the moment of creation.
He in effect sees what we have done at the instant he created our universe, and so determines what we have done by the very act of creating it.
-Removed-I have asked the same question of KM and he dodges it with fluff.
When you say god exist outside of time...what do you mean?
Do you put him in a different timeline independent of ours? Do you otherwise argue time doesn't apply to God and reduce his existence to a singularity? or something else???
What is your notion of God's temporal existence?