How can a loving God allow suffering Michael Ramsden

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I'm looking for a video from a theistic point of view that doesn't shirk away from the existence of evil but offers a reasonable explanation why an all-powerful and perfectly loving deity is compatible with suffering and lack of divine intervention. (Preferably one that doesn't tender weak arguments such as human free will and the like).

If your video delivers on that kelly, I'll watch it.

I think it handles it well. To the point I can see now why God had to create the universe the way He did. We can debate, discuss the ins and outs after you watch it, because me thinking that is true doesn't mean you will. 🙂

@kellyjay said
The lack of heat we call cold, not sure why you'd have an issue with this!

If you think cold is a lack of heat you are pretty ignorant.

@kellyjay said
I think it handles it well. To the point I can see now why God had to create the universe the way He did. We can debate, discuss the ins and outs after you watch it, because me thinking that is true doesn't mean you will. 🙂

So you can reassure me that I won't encounter the free will or original sin arguments that I have heard ad nauseam and fail miserably to address the issues I have?

@wolfgang59 said
If you think cold is a lack of heat you are pretty ignorant.

Speak on, make a point if you have one besides insulting me.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
So you can reassure me that I won't encounter the free will or original sin arguments that I have heard ad nauseam and fail miserably to address the issues I have?

I said, I thought he answered it well, I also said you might or might not agree with it, but I looked forward to discussing it with you. If you think I'm trying to bait you into something boring, don't take the time to watch it, be like the other two guys here who have not watched it! I'm not going to reassure you of anything, I cannot see into your intellect and know what you are going to think about it either way, I think it is unfair to ask that. I am not a mind reader, or a prophet, its a 30 minute talk. Listen, don't listen, he speaks on several topics besides this one, but I got a lot out of this one, and another "34:25 minutes - Is faith is Jesus irrational?" For short talks they are both well done in the time allotted.

@kellyjay said
Speak on, make a point if you have one besides insulting me.

Already made my point.

@wolfgang59 said
Already made my point.

Okay

@wolfgang59 said
If you think cold is a lack of heat you are pretty ignorant.

If you remove all heat at what temperature do you arrive at?
Once you arrive at that temperature is it possible to get colder?

@kellyjay said
I said, I thought he answered it well, I also said you might or might not agree with it, but I looked forward to discussing it with you. If you think I'm trying to bait you into something boring, don't take the time to watch it, be like the other two guys here who have not watched it! I'm not going to reassure you of anything, I cannot see into your intellect and know what y ...[text shortened]... nutes - Is faith is Jesus irrational?" For short talks they are both well done in the time allotted.

I do not think it unfair that I ask you in advance of watching your 30-minute video if it's basic justification for God allowing people to suffer is the result of either free will or original sin.

If it offers something different I will watch it, but have no interest in an argument that says an all-powerful and perfectly loving deity allows the suffering of an innocent child so mankind can make their own decisions or as a consequence of some fictional ancestor eating an apple.

@kellyjay said
If you remove all heat at what temperature do you arrive at?
Once you arrive at that temperature is it possible to get colder?

If you remove all the potatoes from a sack of potatoes what do you end up with?
An empty sack of course.

Therefore an empty sack is merely a lack of potatoes.

@wolfgang59 said
If you remove all the potatoes from a sack of potatoes what do you end up with?
An empty sack of course.

Therefore an empty sack is merely a lack of potatoes.

You have a point? Of course the example isn't one you can use everywhere, it does however work where I used it.

@wolfgang59 said
If you remove all the potatoes from a sack of potatoes what do you end up with?
An empty sack of course.

Therefore an empty sack is merely a lack of potatoes.

No go on the heat example?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I do not think it unfair that I ask you in advance of watching your 30-minute video if it's basic justification for God allowing people to suffer is the result of either free will or original sin.

If it offers something different I will watch it, but have no interest in an argument that says an all-powerful and perfectly loving deity allows the suffering of an inn ...[text shortened]... mankind can make their own decisions or as a consequence of some fictional ancestor eating an apple.

Don't watch it if you don't want to.
Not going to beg you.
Any of the video's I have asked you to watch not cover the topics well?
You didn't have to agree with them, but they were not boring, but to the point.
Wouldn't bring up the video if it were a rehash of old stuff, why bother doing that?

@kellyjay said
Don't watch it if you don't want to.
Not going to beg you.
Any of the video's I have asked you to watch not cover the topics well?
You didn't have to agree with them, but they were not boring, but to the point.
Wouldn't bring up the video if it were a rehash of old stuff, why bother doing that?

Do you agree with my definition of "evil"?