@kellyjay saidIt is not the lack of love making evil, it is the lack of empathy that makes for evil. We don't need gods to define that for us. The thing you neglect is the writings of thousands of other religions with moral meat in them also and you would readily admit they were all man made religions.
Going to the example of heat and cold, it is the lack of heat that gives us cold. It is the lack of light that gives us darkness. It is the lack of love that gives us evil.
The world was made for love and we turned into self centered place where we consistently look to ourselves, many times at the expense of others.
Did you watch the video? Of the ones you have watched this one is one of my favorites!
The thing is, they are not inferior to Christianity or any of the three Abrahamic religions. Pithy sayings are what humans are all about, been going on for thousands of years and will go on for thousands of years more with no input from a deity needed.
@kellyjay saidSo you believe you don't have to struggle to do as little "evil" as you can and that's because your "evil" has been "justified" by Jesus? Right?
My goal is to love God, love others, and follow the Spirit and scripture. The struggle to be good enough was taken care of by Christ. If I feel the need to earn my salvation I am not treating the salvation God has given us with faith, I would not be trusting God at His Word.
@sonhouse saidYou think anyone who loves does so without empathy?
It is not the lack of love making evil, it is the lack of empathy that makes for evil. We don't need gods to define that for us. The thing you neglect is the writings of thousands of other religions with moral meat in them also and you would readily admit they were all man made religions.
The thing is, they are not inferior to Christianity or any of the three Abrahamic rel ...[text shortened]... for thousands of years and will go on for thousands of years more with no input from a deity needed.
@kellyjay saidFMF: So all Christians are "evil"?
In our own righteousness yes, as we abide in Christ Jesus He forgives, He justifies.
KellyJay: In our own righteousness yes, as we abide in Christ Jesus He forgives, He justifies.
So all Christians are "evil", but Christ "justifies" their "evil"? Can you explain?
What meaning of the word "justifies" do you intend here?
@fmf saidNo one has said He justified “their evil” He justifies the unjust, to restore their lives in Him. We come to Him repentant, He forgives, and gives us Himself the Spirit of God that we might do the works of God that He has for us. We fellowship with the Most High, and He becomes our Father.
FMF: So all Christians are "evil"?
KellyJay: In our own righteousness yes, as we abide in Christ Jesus He forgives, He justifies.
So all Christians are "evil", but Christ "justifies" their "evil"? Can you explain?
What meaning of the word "justifies" do you intend here?
You claimed to be a Christian once don’t you recall the Spirit of God in your life? In times of worship, prayer, great joy, heartache and sorrow, in times of great need? You know during those times you knew His Word is true that He would never leave us or forsake us?
@kellyjay saidSo all Christians are "evil" but they are "justified" by Christ and they do not have to struggle to stop being "evil" [by your own telling of it]. So what happens to the "evil" that all Christians do?
No one has said He justified “their evil” He justifies the unjust, to restore their lives in Him. We come to Him repentant, He forgives, and gives us Himself the Spirit of God that we might do the works of God that He has for us. We fellowship with the Most High, and He becomes our Father.
@kellyjay saidWhat meaning of the word "justifies" do you intend when you say " In our own righteousness yes, [all Christians are "evil"] as we abide in Christ Jesus He forgives, He justifies"? What definition of the word do you have in mind?
You claimed to be a Christian once don’t you recall the Spirit of God in your life? In times of worship, prayer, great joy, heartache and sorrow, in times of great need? You know during those times you knew His Word is true that He would never leave us or forsake us?
@fmf saidWe are in an evil world, it’s systems are promoting selfishness, there is a god of this world that is the father of lies who desires us to be divided and destroyed, we are in bodies that craves with a sin nature within. Only with Jesus Christ can we be forgiven and overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil. At no time did I say that the life we have with Christ is an easy one the struggle is huge, but we have a Savior who has overcome, one who went through all of this so He can relate with us.
What meaning of the word "justifies" do you intend when you say " In our own righteousness yes, [all Christians are "evil"] as we abide in Christ Jesus He forgives, He justifies"? What definition of the word do you have in mind?
As God He sees all the evil in this world while we see just the little part we’re involved in. He saw all of our sins, from beginning to end and died for us at our worst. His shed blood cleans us so we can walk with Him, we are to pick up our crosses and follow Him. We are called to walk holy lives.
Those who claim the name but don’t know Him, whose lives are no different than before they put on the title are in for a rude surprise as they die in their sins.
If we sin after we are saved we are to repent confess and move on with the Lord.
@fmf saidIf we know the Lord yes, He convicts so we turn from the evil we do towards Him.
Do you think Jesus has any effect on the amount of "evil" that Christians do if you are supposedly forgiven for it and are not obliged to struggle to not be "evil"?