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Spirituality

  1. Standard member dj2becker
    Hoarse whisperer
    10 Nov '17 11:28
    Morality is defined by Webster’s Dictionary as “conformity to ideals of right human conduct”. It is behavior that is regarded as correct and subjected to a series of codes of conduct by a human being. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy established that the term “morality” can be used either (1) descriptively to refer to some codes of conducts put forward by a society, or some other group, such as a religion, or accepted by an individual for her own behavior or (2) normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.

    Given the above established definitions of morality, its basis is established upon the act of human beings to provide the foundation by which to define and implement the codes of conduct that establishes the moral acts themselves. in other words, whether a society or religion, the laws that govern morality are based upon the interpretation of human beings. Here is where I differ.

    I would begin my difference by first establishing my approach to Christianity. Christianity may be regarded as another religion among certain circles of society, however, in reality Christianity is founded upon a relationship between the person and the Lord Jesus Christ. You may argue that all religions have a representative, but in this sense, the Christian accepts Jesus Christ to not only be the Son of God, but also God Himself. The Word of God is what we believe to have been given to us by God Himself, in order to come to the knowledge of Him. Now, within the wisdom of this Word, not only do we get to know God, but it also provides us with a mirror in which to see ourselves. The true you is found in Its reflection. Whether for the good or the bad.

    True morality then is found, not in the codes established by a society or religion, but that which is established by the Word of God. Although societies and religions may change, the Word of God stands forever. This tells us that true morality is unchanging, because the Word of God is unchanging. Truth, according the Word of God, is the measure. Any moral code of conduct established by a society or religion that differs from the truth established in the Word of God is not, in its true definition, a moral conduct. Whether any act or behavior can be regarded as moral, it will have to stand to the scrutiny of what God had to say about it.

    So in reality, true morality and true Christianity are joined by the very same foundation, which is the Word of God. You cannot separate them without affecting its true nature. Morality is not found in what is right or justified in the eyes of society (this we have allowed to be established), but more on the revelation of God’s view of right and wrong, as given in His Word. When we talk about the true moral character of a person, it is to be found in the reflection of that person’s life and how it coincides with the instructions given to us in the Word of God. Although there may be some codes of conduct in society that may relate to God’s view, it is evident that true morality in society today suffers from a lack of a full inclination to what God has to say about morality. However, true morality was not meant to be carried out by a society as a whole, but by the individual persons of that society. We all hold the individual responsibility to adhere to the Word of God and modify our conducts accordingly in order to be the instruments of change in our society. We must stand against any code of conduct that is contrary to the Word of God, in order to establish the true moral compass, if society is to find its way back to God. Only then can we be a true Christian nation, living within the measure of true morality within our society.

    For example, acts such as removing Bibles from the schools, was accepted by society to be the correct thing to do. For what relation does God have with education? However, it was the removal of the moral compass in our society that years later has led to the loss of correct behavior among our children and a society lost in its attempt to fight the onslaught of immoral behavior. Nations that are crippled without direction. This has now created a generation that redefines and adjust morality based on popular demands.

    Since true morality and Christianity are related, how does this the shifting of moral principles affect the Christian church today?

    https://theologyexchange.com/2013/01/27/morality-and-christianity/
  2. 10 Nov '17 15:55
    "Morality" is hardly mentioned in the bible, it's a human concept not a spiritual one.
  3. 10 Nov '17 18:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Morality is defined by Webster’s Dictionary as “conformity to ideals of right human conduct”. It is behavior that is regarded as correct and subjected to a series of codes of conduct by a human being. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy established that the term “morality” can be used either (1) descriptively to refer to some codes of conducts put for ...[text shortened]... he Christian church today?

    https://theologyexchange.com/2013/01/27/morality-and-christianity/
    “For example, acts such as removing Bibles from the schools,... it was the removal of the moral compass in our society... “

    “This has now created a generation that redefines and adjust(s) morality based on popular demands.”

    Comment: If the laws governing the behavior of a people do not reflect their popular demands, whose demands will they reflect and how will those lawmakers gain and retain control over the populace? Rather than bemoan the situation, better to make known the benefits that will accrue to the people if they change their ways. And don’t just promise pie in the sky.
  4. Standard member dj2becker
    Hoarse whisperer
    10 Nov '17 19:29
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    "Morality" is hardly mentioned in the bible, it's a human concept not a spiritual one.
    I disagree. The Bible has a lot to say about how we as humans aught to behave towards each other.
  5. 10 Nov '17 20:15
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    I disagree. The Bible has a lot to say about how we as humans aught to behave towards each other.
    What does the Bible say to you about the reasons you should follow its rules about how to behave towards others?
  6. 10 Nov '17 22:44
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    I disagree. The Bible has a lot to say about how we as humans aught to behave towards each other.
    The word “Morality” is hardly mentioned in the bible, this is an indisputable fact.

    Righteousness is what the bible talks about.
  7. Standard member dj2becker
    Hoarse whisperer
    11 Nov '17 04:41
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    The word “Morality” is hardly mentioned in the bible, this is an indisputable fact.

    Righteousness is what the bible talks about.
    So because the word morality is never used in the Bible it has nothing to offer in terms of ideals for human conduct? Are you being serious now?
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    11 Nov '17 05:15
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    So because the word morality is never used in the Bible it has nothing to offer in terms of ideals for human conduct? Are you being serious now?
    Perhaps when you are talking about your religion, and not doing things against the wishes of the supernatural being you worship, you should talk in terms of "sin". Morality governs the interactions between people and most people are not members of your religion.
  9. Standard member dj2becker
    Hoarse whisperer
    11 Nov '17 05:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Perhaps when you are talking about your religion, and not doing things against the wishes of the supernatural being you worship, you should talk in terms of "sin". Morality governs the interactions between people and most people are not members of your religion.
    The Bible has a lot to say about how people aught to interact with each other. Is there any religious book or otherwise that you think offers a better guide on how we aught to live?
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    11 Nov '17 06:07
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    The Bible has a lot to say about how people aught to interact with each other. Is there any religious book or otherwise that you think offers a better guide on how we aught to live?
    Your question to me has ignored the content of what I posted and brushed past my suggestion. What do you think of my suggestion?
  11. Standard member dj2becker
    Hoarse whisperer
    11 Nov '17 06:53
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Your question to me has ignored the content of what I posted and brushed past my suggestion. What do you think of my suggestion?
    Yes the Bible deals with sin but it also deals with human interaction.You seem to have ignored the content of what I posted and brushed past my question.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    11 Nov '17 07:17
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Yes the Bible deals with sin but it also deals with human interaction.You seem to have ignored the content of what I posted and brushed past my question.
    I ignored your question because you clearly asked it in order to ignore mine. What I am interested in is how you almost invariably conflate "sin" with morality. "Sin" is meaningless to non-believers. If you're not interested, that's fine by me. We have talked about the Bible before. You can talk to other people about that ~ to Christians, perhaps, as was probably your intention with this OP.
  13. 11 Nov '17 07:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    So because the word morality is never used in the Bible it has nothing to offer in terms of ideals for human conduct? Are you being serious now?
    Instead of starting 50% of your posts with the word “so” and then following it with a twisted presupposition of what your corespondent is saying, why don’t you use words like:

    Why do you say that...
    That’s interesting...how is....such and such...
    Can you expand on that considering xyz...

    You really should be grateful anyone is bothering to post in yet another one of your bloody universal bloody morality posts in the first place.
  14. Standard member dj2becker
    Hoarse whisperer
    11 Nov '17 09:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Instead of starting 50% of your posts with the word “so” and then following it with a twisted presupposition of what your corespondent is saying, why don’t you use words like:

    Why do you say that...
    That’s interesting...how is....such and such...
    Can you expand on that considering xyz...

    You really should be grateful anyone is bothering to post in yet another one of your bloody universal bloody morality posts in the first place.
    That’s interesting. Do you believe the Bible has nothing to offer in terms of ideals for human interaction? Take for example loving your neighbor as you love yourself. Do you believe it’s just an optional suggestion or subjective opinion or could it possibly be a universal ideal?
  15. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    11 Nov '17 10:33
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    [b] Do you believe the Bible has nothing to offer in terms of ideals for human interaction? Take for example loving your neighbor as you love yourself. [b]
    Nothing original.
    Nothing one cannot work out.