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Is it possible for evolution to breed us out of the childish need for religion? Or can cultural growth beat evolution to the punch?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungReligion could very well die. Suppose a new mutation happened in humans that caused a large increase in reasoning power in most humans or the same thing happened as a result of a deliberate eugenics experiment? I think it safe to say more reasoning power=less religion.
Religion will never die.
Originally posted by sonhouseIt is my belief that less educated people have more children and the highest population growth is in the poorest nations. However I don't know whether that means genes for lower intelligence are being selected as a poor education and poverty has more to do with environment than genes. Whatever the case, I do not think that intelligence is particularly being selected for. So unless we go in for eugenics I doubt if the average intelligence due to genes with change much. However as the world economy improves so does the health and education and therefore intelligence and education level of the average person.
Is it possible for evolution to breed us out of the childish need for religion? Or can cultural growth beat evolution to the punch?
Originally posted by twhiteheadI take it you're too inteligent to progreate then?
It is my belief that less educated people have more children and the highest population growth is in the poorest nations. However I don't know whether that means genes for lower intelligence are being selected as a poor education and poverty has more to do with environment than genes. Whatever the case, I do not think that intelligence is particularly bei ...[text shortened]... ducation and type of religion but it is not clear cut. I knew a few creationists at university.
Originally posted by sonhouseReligion is a product of evolution. Why should evolution create religion and then decide it was a mistake after all and get rid of it ?
Is it possible for evolution to breed us out of the childish need for religion? Or can cultural growth beat evolution to the punch?
Originally posted by yo its meRead my post again.
I take it you're too inteligent to progreate then?
Originally posted by ivanhoedeleted
Religion is a product of evolution. Why should evolution create religion and then decide it was a mistake after all and get rid of it ?
Which do you think are the reasons for evolution to create religion ? Aren't these reasons valid anymore ?
Originally posted by sonhouseI think if you look around the world you will see what happens when
Religion could very well die. Suppose a new mutation happened in humans that caused a large increase in reasoning power in most humans or the same thing happened as a result of a deliberate eugenics experiment? I think it safe to say more reasoning power=less religion.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou seem to be equating less education with less intelligence. That's problematic to say the least.
Read my post again.
It is a fact that people with higher educations have statistically less children. Even if I had twenty children and 10 Phds it would not change that fact. A statistic does not enforce itself on everybody.
It is also a fact that poorer people (who are also statistically less educated) also have statistically more children. It is also ...[text shortened]... population growth is taking place in poor countries and amongst the poorer sections of society.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI think it might be better to say that evolution led to the neural systems that favoured religious thought, rather than evolution led to religion.
Religion is a product of evolution. Why should evolution create religion and then decide it was a mistake after all and get rid of it ?
Which do you think are the reasons for evolution to create religion ? Aren't these reasons valid anymore ?
Originally posted by amannionEven if I were to agree with all evolutionary thought I don't see how
I think it might be better to say that evolution led to the neural systems that favoured religious thought, rather than evolution led to religion.
But either way, humans have pretty successfully managed to circumvent evolutionary processes to some extent with our ability to manipulate and control environments.
That's why many evolutionary arguments and pressures are less valid today.
Originally posted by KellyJayThat's exactly the same thing with evolution!
Even if I were to agree with all evolutionary thought I don't see how
what you said could be true. Small changes occur in DNA, they stay
or go, they can be good or bad, but they occur nonetheless. If they
are bad changes and they keep occurring they will end the species, if
they are good they will stick around, but what is good, something that
does not ...[text shortened]... ems, the balancing act
in change is always a delicate one when the systems are complex.
Kelly
Originally posted by amannionI was rather trying to point out that poor people tend to be less educated and in the case of extreme poverty less intelligent. The lower intelligence is mostly due to malnutrition. I am not saying less education equals lower intelligence but rather that the two are statistically likely to be found together and that a higher number of children is also statistically likely whether due to the lower education, the lower intelligence or the poverty, or a combination of all three or other factors.
You seem to be equating less education with less intelligence. That's problematic to say the least.