Originally posted by sonhouse
So you figure the more this scam of religion goes on, the more peaceful it will get?
I don't need anyone to tell me once again stopping religious wars won't stop wars. That is obvious. But there will be one less excuse for killing and raping women specifically to ruin her for her tribe because she did not want to forcibly be converted to Islam.
You nee ...[text shortened]... can build a monument he knows in his heart is HIS legacy.
So tell me I am wrong about that.
no, i didn't say that. like you, i don't condone organized religion. unlike you, i do it in a quieter fashion. like you, i believe that the bible (to give an example) has many flaws. unlike you, i believe that it also has some merits.
i don't believe all religious people are insane or idiots, just as i don't believe being an atheist is a "get in the smart club for free" card.
like all zealots (and i also include religious zealots). you only look at part of the picture. you only see the spanish inquisition and the honor killings in muslim countries. have you talked to moderate christians or muslims? the ones that practice their religions quietly and in peace? have you considered that the psychopaths killing in the name of god only use religion as a motive and would have found a motive even if religion would be nonexistent?
"You seem to think religious killing is all worthwhile if we reach the godhead."
how have you reached this conclusion? would it be because you don't bother to get to know the person and only spout your prejudice?
"Any time ANYONE kills in the name of Islam or Christianity or whatever, the human race descends a little bit lower on the morality scale. "
yes, i agree. and the holy books of both will tell you that it is wrong.
"You say there are several kinds of religious people. Fine. So stop the ones who are killing for religious reasons then."
sounds like a project. i will stop the religious people killing for religious reasons and you in turn vow to stop any murderer who kills for money, country, rap music, rock music, drugs, sex, jealousy, drunk driving, money, money and rage. sounds fair?
"I rail against religion, organized religion because it does not come from a god, it was all started by men to control people and subjugate women and just coincidentally get richer in the process."
so you believe. without proof, you are making just as much a leap of faith as all the religious people make when believing in god.
"Why do only organized religions build vast monuments costing millions of dollars that could be better spent on educating their flock or getting better medical treatment."
hmm, i wonder what the military budget of USA for example is. surely it could be better spent on education and medical treatment.
So tell me I am wrong about that
you are wrong. if you wish for a debate, a civilized debate, not your crusade against religion, i can amend the previous to "you are not entirely right, you are not entirely wrong and here is why"