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Originally posted by lauseyLaugh yourself to death, then.
This is even more laughable.
Originally posted by RJHindsGive us a hint as to how far in the future it will be before this final judgement day happens.
Laugh yourself to death, then.
Originally posted by sonhouseI think it will be less than 1000 years. I understand Jesus as saying it
Give us a hint as to how far in the future it will be before this final judgement day happens.
Do you think it will be within the next 100 years? 200? 1000? Give us your best estimate.
Not, we can't know, surely you as a man of god, can give us SOME hint?
What if it turns out judgement day comes in 4 billion years? Will humans still be around then?
Originally posted by sonhousewhy does it matter when it comes? humans must live their lives knowing they will be judged. not necessarily in a "you go to hell and suffer for eternity for your wicked ways" way. but spiritual people believe an accounting must be made. if we hold that life has a meaning (and atheists do to), what have you done to fulfill your meaning? or THE meaning? you believe your rise and fall(again, not necessarily to hell) according to the manner in which you lived your life.
Give us a hint as to how far in the future it will be before this final judgement day happens.
Do you think it will be within the next 100 years? 200? 1000? Give us your best estimate.
Not, we can't know, surely you as a man of god, can give us SOME hint?
What if it turns out judgement day comes in 4 billion years? Will humans still be around then?
Originally posted by ZahlanziImagine if you will, all life on earth coming to a judgement and rebirth. The question there would be 'WHY?' What possible reason would a god have to make trillions of humans (in our case) and then, this supposedly omniscient god who would know when it made the universe, exactly which human would be destined for 'hell', whatever that is, and some 'heaven' whatever that is.
why does it matter when it comes? humans must live their lives knowing they will be judged. not necessarily in a "you go to hell and suffer for eternity for your wicked ways" way. but spiritual people believe an accounting must be made. if we hold that life has a meaning (and atheists do to), what have you done to fulfill your meaning? or THE meaning? you b ...[text shortened]... and fall(again, not necessarily to hell) according to the manner in which you lived your life.
Originally posted by sonhouseas opposed to trillions of trillions of beings not being judged and just vanishing in a puff?
Imagine if you will, all life on earth coming to a judgement and rebirth. The question there would be 'WHY?' What possible reason would a god have to make trillions of humans (in our case) and then, this supposedly omniscient god who would know when it made the universe, exactly which human would be destined for 'hell', whatever that is, and some 'heaven' w ...[text shortened]... r?
Can't you see how ridiculous all that sounds when you look at the bigger picture?
Originally posted by ZahlanziAll well and good but an omniscient god already knows who's naughty and who's nice. So it if has to judge, it is not omniscient.
as opposed to trillions of trillions of beings not being judged and just vanishing in a puff?
life is growth. and should a creator be , why shouldn't he judge how well we've grown during our allotted time?
"Why would such a god exclude those beings from the judgement?"
maybe he doesn't. maybe the judgement criteria for a dolphin is how well he ate ...[text shortened]... dies these concepts, who created us and who will judge us for how we use our gifts
Originally posted by sonhouseThe Holy Bible says God the Father judges no man. All judgement will be done
All well and good but an omniscient god already knows who's naughty and who's nice. So it if has to judge, it is not omniscient.
Originally posted by ZahlanziTo judge means examining a subject or person and rendering some verdict. The fact that you have to render a verdict is pretty strong evidence of non-omniscientness.
flawed logic. to judge doesn't contradict omniscience. where did you get that from?
Originally posted by sonhouseno, it bloody isn't. what kind of judgement do you give in ignorance? therefore, a judge must know what the judged has done in order to JUDGE them.
To judge means examining a subject or person and rendering some verdict. The fact that you have to render a verdict is pretty strong evidence of non-omniscientness.
Omniscient means you have knowledge of all things and all times all at once so in such an infinite knowledge based system, there is no judgement, since all results are known in advance.
S ...[text shortened]... een naughty or nice. You, nice, go through that door. You, naughty, go through that OTHER door.
Originally posted by sonhouseI think a reading of the science of discworld II would be appropriate here.
I think we should tell our congressmen, senators, parliament members, genetic scientists to support work on the virus that kills the god part of the brain, where the entire planet catches a cold and when they get well they look at the religious books written by the millions and go 'we believed in that BS?' Then the world begins to build a real civilization ...[text shortened]... here sign up to that? We could probably have the ungod virus in a couple of years of research.