Originally posted by sonhouseYes, in general I would agree with you, Sonhouse.
I wasn't railing against killing per se, just the commandment. It is contradictory. We eat life, whether animal or vegetable. So we kill every day. The commandment I assume was meant for humans since we are supposedly the pinnacle of creation and therefore shepherds of all the life on Earth. In that we are failing miserably. We are killing entire species an ...[text shortened]... ?
I wouldn't hold my breath for that one. We off ourselves, we are gone, pure and simple.
Yes, Humans are killing and eating animal & vegetable life.
Yes, The commandment was given for humans.
Yes, species of animals, plants are going extinct at a very fast rate.
As you said, we are shepherds of all life on Earth.
The point I disagree is where you say that Christianity allow us to kill every life form.
It doesn't say that.
Actually, good shepherds would take care of their animals and not allow them to be wiped off the earth.
Not all the people destroying the jungles and natural habitats are Christians, though some are.
While there is scripture about the destruction of the earth and a new earth and heaven, I don't want to get into that right now.
Yes, if we humans destroy the earth or nuke it all, I guess you are right, the Lord may not re-create it all and us.... in much the same way when some Christian martyrs were killed, the Lord did not intervene.
Originally posted by sonhouseyeh, religion is responsible for the social injustice in the world and overconsumerism. i would love some bible quotes saying that. or some quran ones.
The only problem I see is the delusions suffered by billions of people who live for an afterlife so they don't have to do much here but spout how to be saved. Yes, 7 billion people can be deluded. I include myself in that number since I represent 1/7 billionth of it.
You can talk about tests and such all you want but the fact remains if we off ourselves ...[text shortened]... imagine all kinds of political hanky panky going on. Rush Limberger would have been proud.
if anything, jesus advocates an equal distribution of goods and a simple life. all through his life he favors the poor and asks the rich to help them out.
where do you learn your debating techniques? dasa? rjhinds?
Originally posted by Suzianneperhaps you should pay more attention to the happy parts of the bible. not as much to the writings of a possibly senile john (or whomever wrote revelations)
As I've pointed out to Dasa *numerous* times, in the original Hebrew, the word was murder. Thou shalt not murder. This is not contradictory. Murder is a sin. Killing in war, killing for food, killing in self-defense is not.
Despite your facetiousness, this world is a test. How we act here and the decisions we make here determine our future (or a lac ...[text shortened]... but for your soul. You only have to make the decision of your own Free Will. Choose wisely.
Originally posted by ZahlanziFunny how so many theists believe that something is only true if it is a Bible quote. Makes you wonder how they learn anything in school given that the vast majority of school learning can not be found in Bible quote form.
yeh, religion is responsible for the social injustice in the world and overconsumerism. i would love some bible quotes saying that. or some quran ones.
Originally posted by twhiteheadyou missed the point. he was arguing that religion is the root of all evil. in this particular post, religion is the cause of overconsumerism and the social inequality. so i countered with a challenge to find where in the bible does god support that. my position is that on the countrary, christianity at the least suggests an equal distribution of goods, a modest life.
Funny how so many theists believe that something is only true if it is a Bible quote. Makes you wonder how they learn anything in school given that the vast majority of school learning can not be found in Bible quote form.
i wasn't claiming the bible is the sole source of evil, i was disproving a false notion he has about religion.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatIt is one thing to say that you don't believe, it is another altogether to be
If they do hold that god is real, they're not atheists are they?
against it. One simply means there are to many questions at hand to accept
it as true, while the other is not worried about questions instead simply is
against it. The simply being against is a strong bias that will not see or even
acknowledge anything that may lead them to question if God is real or not.
Instead they will rail against all such things.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI doubt anybody is seriously 'railing' against god. I think it's more to do with the nonsense pedalled as truth by various religions and believers.
It is one thing to say that you don't believe, it is another altogether to be
against it. One simply means there are to many questions at hand to accept
it as true, while the other is not worried about questions instead simply is
against it. The simply being against is a strong bias that will not see or even
acknowledge anything that may lead them to question if God is real or not.
Instead they will rail against all such things.
Kelly
Originally posted by lauseyThere are no disastrous unforeseen consequences. The consequences are
"you should just let yourself be killed and keep the high moral road."
Additionally, once your dead, you wouldn't get the benefit of having the high moral road. 🙂
Back on topic. Although I also dislike religion and what it is doing to the world, I also disagree with genetically enforcing people to "not believe in God" (if it were possible). Assuming t ...[text shortened]... ewpoint of an atheist, before anyone from a theist viewpoint was to argue against it.
foreseen and spelled out in the Holy Bible. Just pick up one and read it
and get educated.
Originally posted by sonhouseI goofed again. I don't know where my mind is for I forgot about you.
So anyone who does not read the bible is uneducated?
Maybe that is why I resigned my chess game against Pawn4dawn,
I saw something that wasn't there for any fool could have played better.
Well, maybe I'm not getting enough rest or something, or else I got
some type of virus in my brain.
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I think we should tell our congressmen, senators, parliament members, genetic scientists to support work on the virus that kills the god part of the brain, where the entire planet catches a cold and when they get well they look at the religious books written by the millions and go 'we believed in that BS?' Then the world begins to build a real civilization and have no more excuses to kill each other just based on dogma.
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Not so fast sonhouse.
Can Psychiatry Afford to throw stones ? Some say not .
"Psychiatry is a Mental Disorder"
"Psychiatry, A Perverted Instrument to Control YOU?
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Originally posted by jaywillPsychiatry was not mentioned in the OP.
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I think we should tell our congressmen, senators, parliament members, genetic scientists to support work on the virus that kills the god part of the brain, where the entire planet catches a cold and when they get well they look at the religious books written by the millions and go 'we believed in that BS?' Then the wo ...[text shortened]... rument to Control YOU?
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I believe Sonhouse is talking about physiology. A physical part of the brain has been identified that is associatted with religious experiences.
Originally posted by wolfgang59I guess that means God wanted us to know Him, Why else would He
Psychiatry was not mentioned in the OP.
I believe Sonhouse is talking about physiology. A physical part of the brain has been identified that is associatted with religious experiences.
create man's brain with a section dealing with religion?
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Originally posted by wolfgang59It is inconceivable to me that such a hair brain idea would not need to consult psychiatry before being implimented. Any physiological tampering with the brain would certainly seek the approval of psychiatry.
Psychiatry was not mentioned in the OP.
I believe Sonhouse is talking about physiology. A physical part of the brain has been identified that is associatted with religious experiences.
Then again societies do some insane things.
The few posters that references "Brave New World" pretty much hit it.
Maybe sonhouse never read it.
Originally posted by jaywillSo in your estimation, suppose such a program was implemented and the god part of the brain turned into general intelligence use by the brain, adding to the intelligence of people instead of producing the sensation of feeling entities like the experiments with the 'god helmet' shows.
It is inconceivable to me that such a hair brain idea would not need to consult psychiatry before being implimented. Any physiological tampering with the brain would certainly seek the approval of psychiatry.
Then again societies do some insane things.
The few posters that references [b]"Brave New World" pretty much hit it.
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What would the result be? Would we become a civilization of zombies? What would be your main objection to the entire human race not having to be dependent on external supernatural forces? Whether real or not? Suppose there is in fact no supernatural external force guiding our lives.
What do you think the result would be if that god part of the brain was derailed and the brain cells used elsewhere, maybe in vision, giving us better color vision or hearing, extending our sensitivity to sound or discrimination in noisy environments, or generating more empathy or some other trait like that in the brain?
Would life as we know it suddenly end? What?