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    14 Apr '16 00:41
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Thanks, I feel better now that you approve.
    "Approve" is not quite the right word. How about "welcome" instead? If the difference between you carrying out morally sound and morally unsound acts is your belief in the Bible, then I welcome the fact that you choose to carry out morally sound acts on this basis.
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    14 Apr '16 00:43
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Reflecting on this data gives one pause; our remaining individual contribution of threads and posts is a finite number.
    As opposed to what?
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    14 Apr '16 04:18
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    As opposed to what?
    On the brevity of our temporal life on planet earth.
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    14 Apr '16 04:20
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "27 United Kingdom 80.5" Years..........
    http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/your-life-expectancy-by-age

    "On a more serious note: are you saying that heaven doesn't have an internet connection?"
    twhitehead, "an internet connection" won't be necessary. Why would that be so?
    "37 United States 78.6"........
    http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/your-life-expectancy-by-age
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    14 Apr '16 04:321 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    On the brevity of our temporal life on planet earth.
    Its "brevity" compared to what in the history human experience (as opposed to the human imagination)? A lifespan of 60-80 years is a long time, especially when compared to the past. It may be twice as long as our counterparts a mere few hundred years ago. It's long enough to raise children, to witness 4-5 generations, to travel the world etc. What sense of bleakness or lack of fulfillment would make a person refer to life's supposed "brevity" and does this pessimism perhaps explain the need in some people for retail religion?
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    14 Apr '16 07:07
    Originally posted by FMF
    Its "brevity" compared to what in the history human experience (as opposed to the human imagination)? A lifespan of 60-80 years is a long time, especially when compared to the past. It may be twice as long as our counterparts a mere few hundred years ago. It's long enough to raise children, to witness 4-5 generations, to travel the world etc. What sense of bleaknes ...[text shortened]... posed "brevity" and does this pessimism perhaps explain the need in some people for retail religion?
    Originally posted by FMF
    Its "brevity" compared to what in the history human experience (as opposed to the human imagination)?
    ________________

    “The frame, the definition, is a type of context. And context, as we said before, determines the meaning of things. There is no such thing as the view from nowhere, or from everywhere for that matter. Our point of view biases our observation, consciously and unconsciously. You cannot understand the view without the point of view.” ―Noam Shpancer, The Good Psychologist
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    Another copy/paste, another person's opinion, another wasted opportunity.
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    14 Apr '16 08:49
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Originally posted by FMF
    Its "brevity" compared to what in the history human experience (as opposed to the human imagination)?
    ________________

    “The frame, the definition, is a type of context. And context, as we said before, determines the meaning of things. There is no such thing as the view from nowhere, or from everywhere for that matter ...[text shortened]... You cannot understand the view without the point of view.” ―Noam Shpancer, The Good Psychologist
    Do you think your personal perspective ~ that the duration of life ought to be decribed as having "brevity" ~ is one of the things that causes you to seek consolation from religion?
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    14 Apr '16 09:28
    Originally posted by FMF
    Do you think your personal perspective ~ that the duration of life ought to be decribed as having "brevity" ~ is one of the things that causes you to seek consolation from religion?
    "... consolation from religion?"

    What "religion"?
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    14 Apr '16 09:39
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "... consolation from religion?"

    What "religion"?
    Your Christianity. As someone who, from time to time, frets in public about the "brevity" of life, does your Christian belief ~ by which you have convinced yourself that you are immortal ~ afford you consolation in the face of death, its finality, and its inevitability?
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    14 Apr '16 10:151 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "... consolation from religion?"

    What "religion"?
    Why are you being dishonest in pretending that you don't know what FMF is talking about?
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    14 Apr '16 10:26
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Why are you being dishonest in pretending that you don't know what FMF is talking about?
    Grampy Bobby had a copy-paste-fest at one point last year in which the texts he was pasting argued that Christianity is not a religion and did so amidst a mishmash of circular logic and exquisitely and self-servingly specific 'definitions' of what a religion is. Grampy Bobby was completely unable to argue the corner laid out by the material he'd copied and ignored or dodged questions about it. He behaved like he was conceding the argument. So he knows what he's doing now by alluding to it again in such a way as to dodge the question I've asked him. 😉
  13. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    14 Apr '16 11:251 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Why are you being dishonest in pretending that you don't know what FMF is talking about?
    Christianity involves a relationship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit based on faith alone in Christ alone and acceptance of the grace gift of salvation and eternal life. There are numerous religions, all of which require good works in order to gain the approval of God and presumably salvation and eternal life. Human righteousness is incompatible with Divine Righteousness.

    Note: Please read John 3:16-18 and Revelation 20.
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    14 Apr '16 11:30
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Christianity involves a relationship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit based on faith alone in Christ alone and acceptance of the grace gift of salvation and eternal life. There are numerous religions, all of which require good works in order to gain the approval of God and presumably salvation and eternal life. Human righteousness is incompatible with Divine Righteousness.
    Christianity is a religion because...

    1. it advocates a belief in a supernatural and divine authority
    2. it has a membership defined by a common narrative and efforts
    3. it has specific beliefs and doctrines not accepted by non-members.
    4. it has designated literature and a theology creating a moral code

    You can take theistic religions like Islam and Judaism and replace "Christianity" with them above the list of four characteristics.
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    14 Apr '16 11:531 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Why are you being dishonest in pretending that you don't know what FMF is talking about?
    Why are you incessantly fault finding in direct contrast to the teaching of Jesus Christ. As someone else stated if you are a Christian then I'm a world war one flying ace.
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