Originally posted by robbie carrobieTo add to that, the 2011 Indian census found that there were only 914 women per 1000 men, the lowest ratio since independence. Indians are aborting females on a massive scale.
This is not a defect of Indian marriage or culture, its a defect of the law. India is not the only country and it says nothing about how Indian women are viewed in marriage or Indian society. Indira Ghandhi was after all president and there have always been powerful and well respected women in Indian society, way before the west embraced the concept.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiethats not the study. that is an interpretation of the study. this is somebody taking the stats out of context, ignoring the conclusions the author as drawn and making up their own opinion.
yes as espoused by the article that i posted,
There are eight outcome variables where differences between the children of homosexual parents and married parents were not only present, and favorable to the married parents, but where these findings were statistically significant for both children of lesbian mothers and "gay" fathers and both with a ...[text shortened]... ng periods more frequently
Have more often pled guilty to a non-minor offense
you told be a few posts ago that the opinions of others is irrelevant? if they are relevant i would point out that all the professors ive quoted are much more qualified to comment than peter sprigg who has zero qualification in sociology or statistics.
Originally posted by stellspalfieare you denying that the statistics were in the study?
thats not the study. that is an interpretation of the study. this is somebody taking the stats out of context, ignoring the conclusions the author as drawn and making up their own opinion.
you told be a few posts ago that the opinions of others is irrelevant? if they are relevant i would point out that all the professors ive quoted are much more qualified to comment than peter sprigg who has zero qualification in sociology or statistics.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiecome on man, use your brain. we've been over this. look ill give you an example from the article you are quoting.
are you denying that the statistics were in the study?
sprigg writes - children of lesbian mother are 4 times more likely to be on public assistance.
written like that (and thats not how its shown in the paper) its taken a statistic that out of the lesbians x-amount of their children were on public assistance and compared it to the married hetros.
this does not take into consideration the variables that we talked about earlier such as the effects of divorce. maybe all children of divorce are more likely to be on public assistance. until somebody adds that calculation nothing is proved.
but sprigg ignores this and draws his own conclusions. so yes the numbers are in the report but no they dont prove what sprigg is saying they prove.....we been over this. spriggs article doesnt pass a critical analysis -
he's not qualified
he is misrepresenting data
and has biased opinion.
this means you can put it forward as an opinion but this article is not evidence.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieA new poll by the Thomson Reuters Foundation asked 370 gender specialists to look at women's rights amongst the G20. India came bottom.
yes this is a product of culture and economics and is shocking.
"It's a miracle a woman survives in India. Even before she is born, she is at risk of being aborted due to our obsession for sons," said Shemeer Padinzjharedil, who runs Maps4aid.com, a website which maps and documents crimes against women..........."As a child, she faces abuse, rape and early marriage and even when she marries, she is killed for dowry. If she survives all of this, as a widow she is discriminated against and given no rights over inheritance or property."
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/south-asia/indian-women-face-worst-discrimination-among-g20-nations#full
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Originally posted by Proper Knobsigh more opinions masquerading as fact, the abortion issue is one purely of economics, a father must provide a dowry for each of his daughters and many despicably choose to murder the foetus rather than face the prospect.
A new poll by the Thomson Reuters Foundation asked 370 gender specialists to look at women's rights amongst the G20. India came bottom.
[quote]"It's a miracle a woman survives in India. Even before she is born, she is at risk of being aborted due to our obsession for sons," said Shemeer Padinzjharedil, who runs Maps4aid.com, a website which maps and d nal.ae/news/world/south-asia/indian-women-face-worst-discrimination-among-g20-nations#full
Strange that my wife was brought up in that culture, she had five sisters and one brother and never faced any of those things, in fact she went to school, got a degree and was blessed by God when she married me. All her sisters have done quite well. None of them were raped, none of them killed for their dowry, none forced to marry early, how can you explain that?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieim not disagreeing as i dont know enough about subject. but taking your wife and her sisters as a sample is hardly a conclusive study especially in a population of 1.2 billion.
sigh more opinions masquerading as fact, the abortion issue is one purely of economics, a father must provide a dowry for each of his daughters and many despicably choose to murder the foetus rather than face the prospect.
Strange that my wife was brought up in that culture, she had five sisters and one brother and never faced any of those things, ...[text shortened]... aped, none of them killed for their dowry, none forced to marry early, how can you explain that?
Originally posted by stellspalfieIndeed, what about the entire street where she lived, its quite typical, girls there were happy, went to school unmolested, came home, i went to a number of their weddings, they seemed quite happy. If one is to believe these so called gender experts, its a post apocalyptic vision of complete lawlessness.
im not disagreeing as i dont know enough about subject. but taking your wife and her sisters as a sample is hardly a conclusive study especially in a population of 1.2 billion.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat a ridiculous argument. It's like me saying 'no JW has ever knocked on my door, therefore JW's don't go round evangelising'.
sigh more opinions masquerading as fact, the abortion issue is one purely of economics, a father must provide a dowry for each of his daughters and many despicably choose to murder the foetus rather than face the prospect.
Strange that my wife was brought up in that culture, she had five sisters and one brother and never faced any of those things, ...[text shortened]... aped, none of them killed for their dowry, none forced to marry early, how can you explain that?
Opinions masquerading as fact, LOL!!! You're a funny guy, i'll give you that. I'll dish out some stats from the National Crime Records Bureau of India shortly.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieah welcome to the complex world of statistics.
Indeed, what about the entire street where she lived, its quite typical, girls there were happy, went to school unmolested, came home, i went to a number of their weddings, they seemed quite happy. If one is to believe these so called gender experts, its a post apocalyptic vision of complete lawlessness.
my wife almost took a job working in india a few months back. we were initially put off because of the rape statistics for india. it didnt seem like a safe place as she would be travelling alone. so she spoke to a few india experts within the company she works for. they said the studies can be misleading. the areas where rape is high is very localized so the experience of most indian cultures is that rape is rare. but in certain areas it is very,very high (for numerous reasons). so if a study is trying to make india look bad they take their samples from the high rape area and use that to calculate that up to give the rape stats of the whole of india. to get an accurate stat samples from all over india (and covering all socioeconomic backgrounds needed to be counted).
so the stats in the study may be correct in the area they were taken but inaccurate if described as proof india has a high rape rate (do you see where im going with this, wink-wink).
its similar in the uk. ask 50 girls in town 'a' if they know anybody who has been raped the majority will say 'no' giving the image of a safe town. ask 50 prostitutes in the town the same question and the majority will say 'yes' painting an image of a violent town.
lets take 25 of the average girls and mix in 25 prostitutes to represent town 'a' and compare them to 50 average girls from town 'b'.
this makes town 'b' look amazing and town 'a' look like its full of rapists.
get it?
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In the following two part lecture, I think Gregory Koukle of (Stand to Reason) gives a good talk on " Setting the Record Straight: Homosexual Marriage. "
There is hardly a less obnoxious and less intimidating Christian apologist with even handed and fairminded rationals for the defense of many Christian positions. (some may still hate it though) . Seriously, Greg Koukle is quite approachable and interested in people's intellectual problems with the Christian faith.
"I am not here to convert you tonight" is an often thing he says in his talks. He says he just wants to put a stone in your shoe or give you some things to think about.
In this two part lecture Koukle comes at the problem Firstly from a theological perspective and secondly from a purely cultural perspective. In the cultural phase he does refer to Jesus but not as any more than someone who is often respected and not a divine authority.
I am going though it for a second time. I encourage some to take the time to hear the whole talk in the two videos. Some may want to do the second video first if you're interested in the purely cultural presentation.
Afterward Question and Answer section
Originally posted by Proper Knoboh goody, i can hardly wait.
What a ridiculous argument. It's like me saying 'no JW has ever knocked on my door, therefore JW's don't go round evangelising'.
Opinions masquerading as fact, LOL!!! You're a funny guy, i'll give you that. I'll dish out some stats from the National Crime Records Bureau of India shortly.
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Originally posted by stellspalfieIts a pity you let fear of what might never happen put you off. A fatboy westerner like you would be able to afford adequate security.
ah welcome to the complex world of statistics.
my wife almost took a job working in india a few months back. we were initially put off because of the rape statistics for india. it didnt seem like a safe place as she would be travelling alone. so she spoke to a few india experts within the company she works for. they said the studies can be misleadin makes town 'b' look amazing and town 'a' look like its full of rapists.
get it?