1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Human Options at A Glance

    #1. God: O "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten [uniquely born] Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name [person] of the only begotten [uniquely born] Son of God." (John 3:16-18)



    Human Beings: (?) Who are we? Why are we here? Where are we going? How will we get there?


    #2. God: O



    Person A. Positive Volition at God Consciousness: (+V) If you're up there, God, I'd like to know you.

    Person B. Negative Volition at God Consciousness: (-V) Whether there's a god or not, I'm not interested.


    #3. God: O The only issue for eternal relationship with God is a person's attitude toward the Person of Jesus Christ, God’s Perfect Gift. "What do you think about the Christ?" Matthew 22: 42



    Person A. Positive Volition at Gospel Hearing (+V) "Believe in the Lord Jesus
    and you shall be saved." (Acts 16:31a) Father, I believe in Jesus Christ.

    or

    Person A. Negative Volition at Gospel Hearing (-V) "Believe in the Lord Jesus
    and you shall be saved. "No thanks; I think I'll just live my life without god.

    "But a natural man [unbeliever] does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them [the Gospel and Bible doctrine], because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14) "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey [the command to believe in] the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." John 3:36
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    12 Dec '13 04:471 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Human Options at A Glance

    #1. God: O ......
    You are supposed to put other people's posts in quote boxes
    you idiot. Not your own indecipherable mutterings.
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    12 Dec '13 13:24
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    You are supposed to put other people's posts in quote boxes
    you idiot. Not your own indecipherable mutterings.
    I understood most of it. You couldn't decipher anything ?
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    12 Dec '13 13:34
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Human Options at A Glance

    #1. God: O "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten [uniquely born] Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not j ...[text shortened]... believe in] the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." John 3:36
    [/b]
    Life is great without a care; take care😵
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    Human Options at a Glance

    as copied from Pascal

    # either you believe in God or you don't
    # either God exists or not

    A) you believe and God exists _> go to heaven
    B) you believe and he doesn't exist-> no harm done, you probably led a good life
    C) you don't believe and God exists -> go to hell
    D) you don't believe and God doesn't exist -> nothing won

    So better believe buddy.
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    Originally posted by Ponderable
    [b]Human Options at a Glance

    as copied from Pascal

    # either you believe in God or you don't
    # either God exists or not

    A) you believe and God exists _> go to heaven
    B) you believe and he doesn't exist-> no harm done, you probably led a good life
    C) you don't believe and God exists -> go to hell
    D) you don't believe and God doesn't exist -> nothing won

    So better believe buddy.[/b]
    😞

    Not another one...
    Please can we take a break from Pascal, We just got done destroying it again.
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    Human Options at a Glance

    a variation on Pascal

    # either you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or you don't
    # either the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists or not

    A) you believe and the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists _> go to Pastafarian heaven
    B) you believe and he doesn't exist-> no harm done, you probably led a good life
    C) you don't believe and the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists -> go to Pastafarian hell
    D) you don't believe and the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist -> nothing won

    So better believe buddy.
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    12 Dec '13 14:501 edit
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    [b]Human Options at a Glance

    a variation on Pascal

    # either you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or you don't
    # either the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists or not

    A) you believe and the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists _> go to Pastafarian heaven
    B) you believe and he doesn't exist-> no harm done, you probably led a good ...[text shortened]... lieve and the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist -> nothing won

    So better believe buddy.[/b]
    I deny the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    I reject the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    Reason? Because he/it doesn't exist.

    See how easy that was?

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    Hypothesis: They don't want the blame if they're wrong.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    I deny the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    I reject the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    Reason? Because he/it doesn't exist.

    See how easy that was?

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    Hypothesis: They don't want the blame if they're wrong.
    Ok lets look at that hypothesis.

    Am I afraid of being blamed if I am wrong?

    NO!

    Why?

    I have absolutely no belief that your god exists.
    I have zero worry that I am wrong [on this topic].

    I have absolutely no concern that I am wrong.

    Also.

    If I was worried about retribution from your god...

    Why would I regularly say (and mean it) that IF your god were real and
    I found out I would immediately declare war on it?

    Does that sound like someone who is frightened of your god and worried about retribution?


    Your hypothesis is wrong. I refute it.

    Next.
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    12 Dec '13 15:03
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Ok lets look at that hypothesis.

    Am I afraid of being blamed if I am wrong?

    NO!

    Why?

    I have absolutely no belief that your god exists.
    I have zero worry that I am wrong [on this topic].

    I have absolutely no concern that I am wrong.

    Also.

    If I was worried about retribution from your god...

    Why would I regularly say (and mean it) t ...[text shortened]... of your god and worried about retribution?


    Your hypothesis is wrong. I refute it.

    Next.
    IF your god were real and
    I found out I would immediately declare war on it?

    As laughable as the idea sounds...Reveal Hidden Content
    ant vs. elephant



    you already have!
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    I deny the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    I reject the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    Reason? Because he/it doesn't exist.

    See how easy that was?

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    Hypothesis: They don't want the blame if they're wrong.
    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    It depends on what is meant by rejecting and denying. We don't believe in god because we see no reason to think he does exist.

    We don't secretly do believe in god but then say that we don't. That doesn't even make any sense. If we do secretly believe in god then presumably we believe that "denying" or "rejecting" god is going to get us into hell. So why would we say we don't believe if we secretly do believe?
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    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    [b]IF your god were real and
    I found out I would immediately declare war on it?

    As laughable as the idea sounds...[hidden]ant vs. elephant[/hidden]


    you already have![/b]
    I've no more declared war on your god than I have declared war on Voldermort.

    Nevertheless if you were right it only reinforces my point.

    It's nonsensical to suggest I am afraid of a being while I am openly declaring war on it.
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    12 Dec '13 15:08
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Ok lets look at that hypothesis.

    Am I afraid of being blamed if I am wrong?

    NO!

    Why?

    I have absolutely no belief that your god exists.
    I have zero worry that I am wrong [on this topic].

    I have absolutely no concern that I am wrong.

    Also.

    If I was worried about retribution from your god...

    Why would I regularly say (and mean it) t ...[text shortened]... of your god and worried about retribution?


    Your hypothesis is wrong. I refute it.

    Next.
    Alright, then.

    YOU answer the question.

    In case you forgot the question, here it is again.

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and I have no problem rejecting him/it. Yet every single time an atheist is charged with rejecting God, they start into all kinds of excuses and 'reasons' why they cannot reject God.

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Alright, then.

    YOU answer the question.

    In case you forgot the question, here it is again.

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and I have no problem rejecting him/it. Yet every single time an atheist is charged with rejecting God, they start into all kinds of excuses and 'reasons' why they cannot reject God.

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?
    I think you are looking at this wrong.

    I am not 'loathe to admit' anything.

    I/we just don't think the term applies.

    You are implying and imagining all kinds of motivations that simply aren't there.

    The reason I don't 'admit' to 'rejecting' god is because the idea of 'rejecting' god
    as I understand it makes no sense. And I am a pendent.

    I need no other reason than that.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Alright, then.

    YOU answer the question.

    In case you forgot the question, here it is again.

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?

    I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and I have no problem rejecting him/it. Yet every single time an atheist is charged with rejecting God, they start into all kinds of excuses and 'reasons' why they cannot reject God.

    Why are atheists so loathe to admit they reject God?
    The same reason they offer the FSM as the supposed counter-argument to the existence of God, a way of saying: you are a type of atheist toward the FSM.

    They miss the part which hits both sides. Rejection just seems so harsh for them, because it says they had to consider it in the first place!
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