11 Aug '06 05:19>
When I made the opening post, I was imagining religious people panting and fighting each other as their master returns.
Originally posted by amannionThe probability of extra terrestrial life in an infinite universe is 1 (i.e. 100% ). the probability of ET in the visible universe, 1 (or so close to one as to be almost indistinguishable from it), probability of life in the galaxy, 1 (or so close to one as to be indistinguishable from it). you can have all sorts of arguments about whether there is intelligent ET life, or how common ET life is, but pretty much to as many digits you want to calculate it to the probability of Et existing is 0.999999999999999999999999..... or in other words 1. thus the existence of ET is not very likely, it is certain.
It would seem likely?
That's pure speculation scotty my boy and you know it ...
Originally posted by googlefudgeJust out of unadulterated interest: could you divulge the math (and the amusing a priori assumptions) involved in attaining this overwhelming evidence for your Extra-Terrestrial, secret-handshake-club-buddies?
The probability of extra terrestrial life in an infinite universe is 1 (i.e. 100% ). the probability of ET in the visible universe, 1 (or so close to one as to be almost indistinguishable from it), probability of life in the galaxy, 1 (or so close to one as to be indistinguishable from it). you can have all sorts of arguments about whether there is intel ...[text shortened]... 9999999999..... or in other words 1. thus the existence of ET is not very likely, it is certain.
Originally posted by scottishinnz...the fact that we haven't heard from any other civilisations doesn't mean that they don't exist.
It means, just for your education - I suggest you get quite a bit more - that the fact that we haven't heard from any other civilisations doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Originally posted by HalitoseLife on other planets would be a natural thing, not a supernatural one.
[b]...the fact that we haven't heard from any other civilisations doesn't mean that they don't exist.
It’s such a pity that your keen, open mind slams shut like a bear-trap whenever the transcendental is invoked.
Perhaps you could use your above line of reasoning next time somebody challenges your religious prejudices.[/b]
Originally posted by StarrmanWe've been over this before: absence of proof does not constitute proof of absence -- the good ole argument from ignorance.
Life on other planets would be a natural thing, not a supernatural one.
Originally posted by HalitoseThe full argument is fairly complex, for an introductory discussion read 'probability one' by Amir Aczel; ISBN: 0349112479.
Just out of unadulterated interest: could you divulge the math (and the amusing a priori assumptions) involved in attaining this overwhelming evidence for your Extra-Terrestrial, secret-handshake-club-buddies?
Originally posted by royaltystatementLOL.
Even with all the things that humans develop, they are only developed because of the natural instinct of man. Just like the natural instinct of animals are to kill and eat each other in cold blood. Humans away from God are in some aspects exactly the same as those animals.
Originally posted by FelixMcWow, where did you get all that info from, did you read it somewhere,
Religion is organised.
Religion is responsible for the majority of wars, and I'm guessing the biggest cause of murder since time began.
Religion is based on Chinese whispers (you try translating "the true meaning across language, dialect, slang etc and keeping that "perfect message".
Religion keeps the majority of believers out of trouble, which is it' ...[text shortened]... force your belief on others. You don't know. They don't know. They only say they do.
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe full argument is fairly complex, for an introductory discussion read 'probability one' by Amir Aczel; ISBN: 0349112479. Blah, blah, blah.
The full argument is fairly complex, for an introductory discussion read 'probability one' by Amir Aczel; ISBN: 0349112479.
But the basic argument is that there are extra solar planets, (moons, asteroids.... potential habitats) predicted theoretically and now being detected. Life emerged here on Earth witch proves that there is a possibility of life eme ...[text shortened]... d. ET is however a different matter, as ET is not what we might term here, the supernatural.
Originally posted by Halitose...absence of proof does not constitute proof of absence -- the good ole argument from ignorance.
We've been over this before: absence of proof does not constitute proof of absence -- the good ole argument from ignorance.
If you want to take the skeptical approach where you deem a proposition false until proven true, that is entirely up to you; but I would expect a certain amount of consistency in your epistemology -- you can't then go about believing in ET until (s)he/it is proven to exist.
Originally posted by HalitoseAnd I disagreed that you presented it correctly that time as well.
We've been over this before: absence of proof does not constitute proof of absence -- the good ole argument from ignorance.
If you want to take the skeptical approach where you deem a proposition false until proven true, that is entirely up to you; but I would expect a certain amount of consistency in your epistemology -- you can't then go about believing in ET until (s)he/it is proven to exist.