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    27 Jul '17 15:26
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Ask Him.

    Look in scripture everyone falls short.
    No need to ask Him. He clearly describes Noah as righteous.

    Apparently not all humans fall short.
  2. Standard memberKellyJay
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    27 Jul '17 15:53
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    'Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.'

    If we all fall short, why did God describe Noah as righteous?
    Blameless among the people and God are two different things.
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    27 Jul '17 17:282 edits
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Blameless among the people and God are two different things.
    No doubt we can add these to the list of passages that you ignore.

    Luke 1
      5In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

    Genesis 26
    4“I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

    Numbers 14
    24“But My servant Caleb, because he has had a different spirit and has followed Me fully, I will bring into the land which he entered, and his descendants shall take possession of it.
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    27 Jul '17 17:43
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Blameless among the people and God are two different things.
    Why are you focusing on the 'blameless' and ignoring the 'righteous?'


    'Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.'
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    27 Jul '17 18:04
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Why are you focusing on the 'blameless' and ignoring the 'righteous?'


    'Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.'
    He's also ignoring the "walked faithfully with God" part.
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    27 Jul '17 18:48
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    He's also ignoring the "walked faithfully with God" part.
    Indeed. Not sure what more a man could do to qualify as righteous.
  7. Standard memberKellyJay
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    27 Jul '17 21:22
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Indeed. Not sure what more a man could do to qualify as righteous.
    Accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
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    27 Jul '17 21:27
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    He's also ignoring the "walked faithfully with God" part.
    No I am ignoring zero scriptures, more than a few times God grants His righteousness upon those He chooses. Everyone before Jesus would as part of their walk would do sacrifices, as a temporary covering for sin. A truly righteous person would not have to do that.
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    27 Jul '17 21:38
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    No I am ignoring zero scriptures, more than a few times God grants His righteousness upon those He chooses. Everyone before Jesus would as part of their walk would do sacrifices, as a temporary covering for sin. A truly righteous person would not have to do that.
    I suggest you read those passages again.

    They explicitly state things such as " walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord", "Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws" and "he has had a different spirit and has followed Me fully". They are all about how they were righteous of their own accord.

    They say nothing about "God grant[ing] His righteousness" upon them or about them being righteous because they " do sacrifices, as a temporary covering for sin".

    You've read things into those passages that aren't there.
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    27 Jul '17 21:57
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    That's a pretty long list so don't ask.
    Ask what's right with you 😀
    At least you have good humour .. goes a long way ..
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    27 Jul '17 21:59
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Keep telling yourself that the day for each of us is closer than it was yesterday.
    I dont tell myself that.
    I was telling you and I meant that I know what reality IS NOT.
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    27 Jul '17 22:01
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Me too. I could probably rewrite the OP substituting a few of the nasty invectives with some pasty self-soothings and it would have more of a ring of truth about it.

    No doubt josephw's version of god will get me for doing it though, so I won't.
    I have no reason to doubt your honesty.
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    27 Jul '17 23:304 edits
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    'Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.'

    If we all fall short, why did God describe Noah as righteous?
    "But Noah found grace in the sight of Jehovah." (Gen. 6:8)

    His finding grace had to have had something to do with it.
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    28 Jul '17 00:49
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    I dont tell myself that.
    I was telling you and I meant that I know what reality IS NOT.
    Well when it is all said and done your knowledge will be put to the test.
  15. Standard memberKellyJay
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    28 Jul '17 00:53
    Originally posted by @sonship
    [b] "But Noah found grace in the sight of Jehovah." (Gen. 6:8)

    His finding grace had to have had something to do with it.[/b]
    As I said, "God grants His righteousness upon those He chooses" if they want to believe
    people can stand before the Lord God Almighty who is Holy in their own righteousness,
    they have a high opinion of people, and a low opinion of a Holy God.
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