I am a theist

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Remember the Swedes in the volunteer SS divisions, i guess you'd like to forget. Wonder how many Homos and witnesses they put to death? Strange that you seem so adamant to proudly fly their flag? perhaps your relatives were volunteers?

What motivated you to ask FabianFnas this?

Originally posted by John W Booth
I believe there is a God.

I can't prove He (She/It) exists.

I feel no need to.

I contemplate it from time to time.

He hasn't communicated with me.

He hasn't issued me with any instructions.

I have no idea what happens after death.

I leave speculation about that to others.

Because I have no interest in religion.

I feel no onus on me to 'spread' any 'word' about anything to anyone.

I am a theist.

Are you really a relaxed and minimal theist, or is this just a rhetorical gambit?

Either way, I'm pretty content.

Originally posted by IshDaGegg
Are you really a relaxed and minimal theist, or is this just a rhetorical gambit?

Apparently I might be a deist.

Originally posted by John W Booth
Apparently I might be a deist.

Well, it has a certain cachet.

Originally posted by IshDaGegg
Well, it has a certain cachet.

Well I think the only real difference is that theists give themselves permission to basically make stuff up - massively elaborate and intricate but completely unsubstantiated stuff - about exactly the same God that deists perceive.

Originally posted by John W Booth
What motivated you to ask FabianFnas this?

He has a habit of his of doing that when he cannot answer. It is not the first time he tries it. It's a retorical trick to draw the attention from what he cannot answer so he doesn't have to. Well, it is rather transparant so he doesn't really achieve anything with it. But he tries it anyway, from time to time. He will do it again, when he feels that I am right and he is wrong.

Originally posted by John W Booth
What motivated you to ask FabianFnas this?

what motivated me???, why don't you read the entire thread instead of taking elements out of context to substantiate your paranoia! He stated, notice this fact Mr Booth, he stated, not me, he stated and just so you don't try to slither around it, he stated, HE STATED, HE STATED! that we (Jehovahs witnesses hate homosexuals like the Nazis did'. a statement that in itself is a reflection not of me, but of the one who issued it.

This is the last thing i shall say to you Mr Booth,

stay away from my children! dude!

Originally posted by FabianFnas
He has a habit of his of doing that when he cannot answer. It is not the first time he tries it. It's a retorical trick to draw the attention from what he cannot answer so he doesn't have to. Well, it is rather transparant so he doesn't really achieve anything with it. But he tries it anyway, from time to time. He will do it again, when he feels that I am right and he is wrong.

Unable to answer? you are the one who stated that we hate homosexuals like the Nazis did, when asked to substantiate your slanderous accusation you slither around like the fraud that you are, a man devoid of the ability the to reason and probably one of the most ignorant contributors to the spirituality forum. The dogs bark and the caravan trundles on, do not try to engage me in conversation again, i do not like liars and you are the foremost.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why don't you read the entire thread instead of taking elements out of context to substantiate your paranoia! He stated, notice this fact Mr Booth, he stated, not me, he stated and just so you don't try to slither around it, he stated, HE STATED, HE STATED! that we (Jehovahs witnesses hate homosexuals like the Nazis did'. a statement that in itself is a reflection not of me, but of the one who issued it.

I have read the entire thread, dude. You have questioned whether FabianFnas or his family may have been Nazis. You have questioned whether I am a Nazi. It seems that this is because both FabianFnas and I have disagreed with you. And yet we haven't accused you of being a Nazi. We haven't accused you of murdering homosexuals. And - anyway - how could we accuse you of being a Nazi... even if we wanted to? You've already played Nazi Cards against us. You went straight there back in the early pages of the thread. Presumably it's an indication of your earnestness, although it comes across more as spite and an ability to articulate yourself without resorting to nastiness.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Unable to answer? you are the one who stated that we hate homosexuals like the Nazis did, when asked to substantiate your slanderous accusation you slither around like the fraud that you are, a man devoid of the ability the to reason and probably one of the most ignorant contributors to the spirituality forum. The dogs bark and the caravan trundles on, do not try to engage me in conversation again, i do not like liars and you are the foremost.

Do you really want to bring this discussion up to the air again?

Okay, then we go for another ride...

(a) Nazis don't like the acts of homosexuals. Right?
(b) Jehovas Wittnesses don't like the acts of homosexuals. Right?
This seems to me that nazis and JWers have in common.
True or untrue?

And before you attack me of having relatives who are nazis (which offended me a lot), think of that this can be taken as an evasion away the question posed.

Just answer the qeustion and we go from there.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Are you a secret Nazi that has issues with your past?

You keep claiming to have "pure" motives. What motivated you to ask me if I am a Nazi?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Do you really think i actually care enough about this to sneer at you, i can assure you this little saga of yours means very little to me, indeed it has now only verified one thing, your ability to grasp simple truths ..

Did you ask me if I am a Nazi because you feel you are cleverer than me?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
... you are, a man devoid of the ability the to reason and probably one of the most ignorant contributors to the spirituality forum.

Did you ask FabianFnas if I he or his family were Nazis because you feel you are cleverer than him?

Please explain.

Originally posted by John W Booth
Did you ask me if I am a Nazi [b]because you feel you are cleverer than me?[/b]

The Nazis themselves thought they were cleverer than others. So do the JWers...

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Haven't you heard of “punctuated evolution”?

yes a modification to make the evidence fit the theory, you may wish to tell me something i don't already know.

I deny nothing, there is no evidence that mutations actually produce new species as the countless experiments with Drosophila melanogaster illustrate

Encyclopedia Americana acknowledge here guess what, we discuss things of a spiritual nature, i would ask that you kindly do so.

“...”Haven't you heard of “punctuated evolution”?
yes a modification to make the evidence fit the theory, ...”

You have said that the wrong way around; it is a modification of the theory to make the theory fit the evidence -that's just how science works; the evidence (the fossil record) remains what it was before -unmodified.

“...I deny nothing, there is no evidence that mutations actually produce new species ...”

...and generally, according to evolution, no single mutation does (although, at least in theory, there may be a few rare exceptions to that. One type of exception is when a mutation occurs that produces extra copies of chromosomes. This is what has appeared to happen with some alpine species of flower. But these are more the exception than the rule).

“...Encyclopedia Americana acknowledge: “The fact that most mutations are damaging to the organism seems hard to reconcile with the view that mutation is the source of raw materials for evolution. ...”

well, that is just a stupid comment; what about the mutations that are not damaging? How would it be “hard to reconcile with the view that mutation is the source of raw materials for evolution” for the mutations that are advantageous to the life form? -or you deny that such mutations can exist? -I have already given you examples of some mutations that are beneficial.


“...Indeed, mutants illustrated in biology textbooks are a collection of freaks and monstrosities and mutation seems to be a destructive rather than a constructive process....”

again, what about the mutations that are advantageous? -what relevance does it make if the advantageous ones are not mentioned in the textbooks? Does that mean they don't exist? 😛
what about the mutations that give rise to antibiotic resistance in bacteria? Do you deny they exist and, if you don't, do you deny that they are not damaging and are advantageous (in an antibiotics rich environment) for the bacteria?

Any bad mutations are selected out by natural selection before they have a chance to become universally part of the species genome thus the bad mutations have no effect on evolution in the long run and thus the bad mutations are irrelevant. And since only the good ones are eventually selected to be universally part of the species genome, the fact that the bad mutations make up the majority of mutation is irrelevant.

“...actually, it is not DNA that is designed to be that way but rather certain DNA-repairing enzymes, ...”

yes, that is what I said.
And; as I basically said, that does not change the fact that not all mutations are repaired by enzymes .

“...
the basis is neither flawed nor illogical, nor an assumption, its a simple mathematical probability based on getting 22 amino acids out a known hundred or so in the correct sequence and of the correct type. ..”

again, you just ignore what I said again and again; why should the first life have the same molecular complexity that modern life has? -answer, no reason. This is the assumption that you and other creationists make that is baseless and illogical. For example, why must the first life use 22 amino acids at all? (for that matter, why should the first life must have used ANY of the amino acids that are used in modern life? Why couldn’t it use completely different amino acids or none?) Why not just one amino acid or even none!? Amino acids are needed for enzymes but, as I said again and again, RNA could have done the job of enzymes in the first life and, after that, evolution took over and incrementally evolved the amino-acid metabolism by one credible mutation at a time.