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    I believe there is a God.

    I can't prove He (She/It) exists.

    I feel no need to.

    I contemplate it from time to time.

    He hasn't communicated with me.

    He hasn't issued me with any instructions.

    I have no idea what happens after death.

    I leave speculation about that to others.

    Because I have no interest in religion.

    I feel no onus on me to 'spread' any 'word' about anything to anyone.

    I am a theist.
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    23 Nov '10 09:01
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    I believe there is a God.

    I can't prove He (She/It) exists.

    I feel no need to.

    I contemplate it from time to time.

    He hasn't communicated with me.

    He hasn't issued me with any instructions.

    I have no idea what happens after death.

    I leave speculation about that to others.

    Because I have no interest in religion.

    I feel no onus on me to 'spread' any 'word' about anything to anyone.

    I am a theist.
    Good for you! 🙂
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    23 Nov '10 09:191 edit
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    I believe there is a God.

    I can't prove He (She/It) exists.

    I feel no need to.

    I contemplate it from time to time.

    He hasn't communicated with me.

    He hasn't issued me with any instructions.

    I have no idea what happens after death.

    I leave speculation about that to others.

    Because I have no interest in religion.

    I feel no onus on me to 'spread' any 'word' about anything to anyone.

    I am a theist.
    I draw inferences from the natural world which lead me to the conclusion that there is inherent intelligence and design

    he has communicated to me through the pages of an ancient text, the Bible

    He has issued me with instructions for a successful, happy, purposeful and fulfilling life through the application of Biblical principles.

    At death we are unconscious as if sleeping, awaiting the resurrection, we are conscious of no pain and no suffering. This hope of the resurrection is so powerful its transcends death itself.

    There is no need for speculation in this regard, the matter is quite clear.

    I like looking at different religious points of view for it is apparent to me that humankind has a spirituality which finds expression in many different ways.

    I have a duty to help others improve their lives through the application of Biblical principles

    I am a theist, sic semper tyrannis
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    23 Nov '10 09:40
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I draw inferences from the natural world which lead me to the conclusion that there is inherent intelligence and design

    he has communicated to me through the pages of an ancient text, the Bible

    He has issued me with instructions for a successful, happy, purposeful and fulfilling life through the application of Biblical principles.

    At death w ...[text shortened]... help others improve their lives through the application of Biblical principles

    I am a theist
    All the stuff about ancient texts and instructions and your resurrection and transcending death, all strikes me as fanciful speculation, nothing more. Much the same sort of stuff as vishvahetu comes out with. What you seem to be talking about here is your religion. Seems like some sort of a vicarious living or some kind of 'intellectual' narcotic. Has absolutely nothing to do with the God that I perceive. I accept that you are a theist though.
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    23 Nov '10 09:43
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    All the stuff about ancient texts and instructions and your resurrection and transcending death, all strikes me as fanciful speculation, nothing more. Much the same sort of stuff as vishvahetu comes out with. What you seem to be talking about here is your religion. Seems like some sort of a vicarious living or some kind of 'intellectual' narcotic. Has absolutely nothing to do with the God that I perceive. I accept that you are a theist though.
    please forgive me JW Booth, what is it that is not quite clear?
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    23 Nov '10 09:44
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    At death we are unconscious as if sleeping, awaiting the resurrection, we are conscious of no pain and no suffering. This hope of the resurrection is so powerful its transcends death itself. There is no need for speculation in this regard, the matter is quite clear.
    Here is more of the same kind of stuff:

    "The present yuga called Kali, is devastated in 432.000 yrs.......but the entire cosmos is not devestated, but only partially devastated and a new cycle begins, and the world is re-populated. ( this re- population happens every 4.3 billion years.) But at the end of the 311 trillion year cycle, the entire cosmos is devastated and becomes unmanifest, only to be re-created for the zillionth time."
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    23 Nov '10 09:46
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    Here is more of the same kind of stuff:

    "The present yuga called Kali, is devastated in 432.000 yrs.......but the entire cosmos is not devestated, but only partially devastated and a new cycle begins, and the world is re-populated. ( this re- population happens every 4.3 billion years.) But at the end of the 311 trillion year cycle, the entire cosmos is devastated and becomes unmanifest, only to be re-created for the zillionth time."
    no its not the same kind of stuff Mr. Booth you are being not a little facetious me thinks!
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    23 Nov '10 09:47
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    please forgive me JW Booth, what is it that is not quite clear?
    What is not clear is why theists of your kind feel the need to wrap your sense of wonder and your lack of certainty in so many layers of stuff you just make up or stuff other people just made up and you buy into.
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    23 Nov '10 09:48
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    What is not clear is why theists of your kind feel the need to wrap your sense of wonder and your lack of certainty in so many layers of stuff you just make up or stuff other people just made up and you buy into.
    excuse me Mr Booth, what have i made up?
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    23 Nov '10 09:49
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    no its not the same kind of stuff Mr. Booth you are being not a little facetious me thinks!
    It's the same kind of the stuff. It's the product of speculation and imagination. I am being zero facetious here. Same kind of stuff. Clearly.
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    23 Nov '10 09:49
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    All the stuff about ancient texts and instructions and your resurrection and transcending death, all strikes me as fanciful speculation, nothing more. Much the same sort of stuff as vishvahetu comes out with. What you seem to be talking about here is your religion. Seems like some sort of a vicarious living or some kind of 'intellectual' narcotic. Has absolutely nothing to do with the God that I perceive. I accept that you are a theist though.
    They are quite much alike. They reason on a similar way. They agree when in certain areas and disagree with insults in other areas. They defend eachother sometimes, and fight eachother sometimes. Much alike.

    Same goes for any true fundamentalist.
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    23 Nov '10 09:51
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    excuse me Mr Booth, what have i made up?
    This:

    "At death we are unconscious as if sleeping, awaiting the resurrection, we are conscious of no pain and no suffering. This hope of the resurrection is so powerful its transcends death itself. "

    Or someone else made it up and you liked the sound of it. It's no different from the stuff vishvahetu peddles here. Truly.
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    23 Nov '10 09:53
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    excuse me Mr Booth, what have i made up?
    Your mind?
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    23 Nov '10 09:54
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    It's the same kind of the stuff. It's the product of speculation and imagination. I am being zero facetious here. Same kind of stuff. Clearly.
    no its the product of reason and thought. your position is untenable, why, because you cannot possibly state that there is not intelligence and design in the natural world, you cannot possibly state that the Bible has no principles that if applied will lead to a successful life, you cannot in fact state that there is anything other than unconsciousness awaiting us after death, all in all, what i think your problem is, is that you are presented with a concrete set of values, based on reason and logic while the ones you proclaimed yourself are so completely ephemeral so as to be like scotch mist in the morning.
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    23 Nov '10 09:56
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    It's the same kind of the stuff. It's the product of speculation and imagination. I am being zero facetious here. Same kind of stuff. Clearly.
    And how is your theism not a "product of speculation and imagination."? What sets you apart?
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