Originally posted by twhiteheadThe Beginning of Time
Time having a beginning is not an assumption that is used in any scientific theory that I know of. Do you know of one? please share!
Matter can be converted to energy as I am sure you know. The matter no longer exists. It has therefore been destroyed. It is [b]not simply broken down.[/b]
In this lecture, I would like to discuss whether time itself has a beginning, and whether it will have an end. All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe...
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Originally posted by twhiteheadSince events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang.
Not so. Science can not peer as far back as the Big Bang and there is no good reason to assume that we cannot know anything before that or whether or not there was a 'before that'. You sound very similar to someone who claims that you cannot travel beyond the edge of the earth (as you may fall off or get eaten by sea monsters).
ps There are a number of ...[text shortened]... it should be possible to test whether or not they are correct ie detect the non-visible parts.
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Originally posted by EcstremeVenomYou can't have your cake and eat it too, EcstremeVenom. You can't have faith and try to provide a scientific backing for it. You need faith because there is absolutely no scientific backing for your position. If you could demonstrate your position scientifically there would be absolutely no room for faith. Pick one or the other, and ne'er the twain shall meet.
or the sources i am using are from theists who do not understand science. or you just do not understand religion.
Originally posted by rwingettReally? Just because one provides evidences for what they believe in no way proves what they believe. In fact, to believe without any evidences whatsoever would be absurd. As I have repeatidly said, believing in God is not akin to beleiving in Santa Clause. Why is this so hard to get across?
You can't have your cake and eat it too, EcstremeVenom. You can't have faith and try to provide a scientific backing for it. You need faith because there is absolutely no scientific backing for your position. If you could demonstrate your position scientifically there would be absolutely no room for faith. Pick one or the other, and ne'er the twain shall meet.
Originally posted by whodeyYes it is akin to believing in Santa Claus, it's just that for you the belief is stronger. Maybe that's why it's so hard to get across.
As I have repeatidly said, believing in God is not akin to beleiving in Santa Clause. Why is this so hard to get across?
Originally posted by rwingetti have never said i have faith.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, EcstremeVenom. You can't have faith and try to provide a scientific backing for it. You need faith because there is absolutely no scientific backing for your position. If you could demonstrate your position scientifically there would be absolutely no room for faith. Pick one or the other, and ne'er the twain shall meet.
Originally posted by whodeyhow is believing in evolution or the big bang theory any different from believing in santa clause? they both require faith.
Really? Just because one provides evidences for what they believe in no way proves what they believe. In fact, to believe without any evidences whatsoever would be absurd. As I have repeatidly said, believing in God is not akin to beleiving in Santa Clause. Why is this so hard to get across?
Originally posted by rwingettBecause he's not rude?
Why won't god reveal himself to those who don't want to know him?
If someone doesn't want to know you do you force yourself on them?
Like the girl or woman you would like to get to know but she shows no interest in getting to know you. You know she would like you if she would just give you a chance, but she acts as if you don't exist.
Originally posted by josephwI think he wants a God who will "put out." Who doesn't?
Because he's not rude?
If someone doesn't want to know you do you force yourself on them?
Like the girl or woman you would like to get to know but she shows no interest in getting to know you. You know she would like you if she would just give you a chance, but she acts as if you don't exist.
Originally posted by josephwThat is the lamest analogy I have ever heard.
Because he's not rude?
If someone doesn't want to know you do you force yourself on them?
Like the girl or woman you would like to get to know but she shows no interest in getting to know you. You know she would like you if she would just give you a chance, but she acts as if you don't exist.
So god is like a teenager with a crush? The cute girl wouldn't give him the time of day. Maybe that's why he drowned almost everyone in the great flood.