05 May '07 01:22>
i think its more symbolic than anything
Originally posted by josephwRight. We are not perfect, and we are all sinners. As hard as we may try, we will never be able to be completely free of sin. Do you really think the death penalty (or eternal torture, as others would claim) is a just punishment for someone who does the very best xe can? That's a very strange interpretation of "justice".
Think objectively for a minute. What's wrong with you? Do you have problems? Do you look for answers but can't find any? Do you get into arguments with people over misunderstandings? Does your back hurt when you get out of bed in the morning?
You get my drift. You're not perfect. We're all in the same boat together.
God is perfect. He has no problems. ...[text shortened]... be.
Quit being confused about it. I just told you how it is. Believe it or not! 😉
Originally posted by 1WhiteKnightI think the concept can be illustrated as Christ was held by Pilate to be executed. Then, as the Jewish custome demanded, one prisoner was to be chosen by the people to be released. The people elected the guilty Barnabas over the innocent Christ and Christ went to the cross in his stead. You see, mankind has a price to pay because we are a fallen race just like Barnabas had a price to pay for his crimes. God told Adam that sin = death. It is simply a spiritual law. You see, sin and death gained dominion over mankind because man sinned and became a fallen race. However, death had no such right to take the life of Christ because he had no sin. Therefore, death now owed Christ a debt, so to speak, because his life was taken wrongfully. So now through Christ and what is owed to him, we can overcome death!! That is the good news of the gospel!!
Apparently the bible says the god sacrificed his son for mankind, as do many Christians I seem to come across. So I think the reason was to forgive mankind for its sins, my problem is what would have happened if he hadn’t have been sacrificial? Would we all have just dropped dead?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThinkOfOne, I assure you I am a saved man. Christ died for me, to pay my sins debt. I am free from the penalty for sin, but none of us is free from the effects of sin. Do you understand the difference?
But Jesus says that one must repent one's sins to enter heaven. How can it be 'a done deal' for you? By your own admission, you aren't yet free of sin.
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way.
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who doe ...[text shortened]... ks?' Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'
Originally posted by NordlysIf a man dies without excepting Christ as his saviour, and his sins are not forgiven, How can he come into the presence of a holy God?
Right. We are not perfect, and we are all sinners. As hard as we may try, we will never be able to be completely free of sin. Do you really think the death penalty (or eternal torture, as others would claim) is a just punishment for someone who does the very best xe can? That's a very strange interpretation of "justice".
Originally posted by whodeyOriginally posted by josephw
Genesis 2:17
Originally posted by ahosyneyI think we can both agree that Ezekiel 18 is talking about spiritual death and not physical death. So do you think that Adam and Eve would have died physically had they not partook of the fruit? Why would a God of life create life subject to death? Your theology demands that God created us to die. Why?
Originally posted by josephw
[b]Romans 6:23
Yes it say , but it is not GOD who is speaking here. Paul who is speaking.
Originally posted by whodey
Genesis 2:17
This doesn't say it. It is a warning from GOD to Adam , it doesn't give the same meaning Paul was talking about. Don't you agree with me?. Besides, if you read Ezekiel 18 (I posted the complete chapter here) you will find what GOD ment by this.[/b]
Originally posted by whodeyOk my friend lets make it clear:
I think we can both agree that Ezekiel 18 is talking about spiritual death and not physical death. So do you think that Adam and Eve would have died physically had they not partook of the fruit? Why would a God of life create life subject to death? Your theology demands that God created us to die. Why?
Also, I am not sure that anyone in the Bible can claim that they have lived a "sinless" life. Even righteous men such as Moses sinned.
Originally posted by 1WhiteKnightGod told Adam not to eat of a certain fruit. Adam of course ate the fruit, which was not a big surprise to anyone. God then said Aha! Because you ate of this fruit, I will damn the entire human race. Later He said well maybe I will give you a chance. If you can follow these ten laws, I will forgive all of you. God of course knew we could not follow the ten rules. Once no one was able to do it, God said Aha! I knew you could not do it. Here let me show you how it is done. I will sacrifice my own son to pay for your sins, and then now we will be even. So He kills His son and then in three days he raises him up again. Now finally 6000 years later the penalty for eating that %#@&ing fruit is paid off. It is very clear and makes perfect sense!
and how does killing your son make that possible?
Originally posted by ahosyneyThere is another way to interpret this scripture. It is like telling you that the day you decide to rob a bank, you shall surly go to prison. Does this mean you will go to prison that very day or am I telling you that the day you decide to commit the crime is the day that judgment will inevitably fall upon you.
(KJV)(Genesis)(Gn-2-17)(But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.)
Originally posted by josephwIt's disconcerting how few Christians actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Where's the love?
ThinkOfOne, I assure you I am a saved man. Christ died for me, to pay my sins debt. I am free from the penalty for sin, but none of us is free from the effects of sin. Do you understand the difference?
You better read Ephesians 4:8 my friend.
And as far as the verses you quoted, if you have a problem reconciling them with the free gift of eternal life cated, and would take me all night. I gotta get to bed. Message me on the side if you want to.
Originally posted by whodeyIt does say 'in the day you shall eat it,' you know. If you said, 'If you should rob a bank, in the
There is another way to interpret this scripture. It is like telling you that the day you decide to rob a bank, you shall surly go to prison. Does this mean you will go to prison that very day or am I telling you that the day you decide to commit the crime is the day that judgment will inevitably fall upon you.