"I love Jesus" , but ...

Originally posted by KellyJay
Everyone is saved, but Jesus died so that we could do good works and
get eternal life? What changed and why? If all it was ever going to take was
good works to get eternal life why did Jesus need to die and rise from the
dead? Seriously, good works are just good works, people have been doing
that forever, even though they are sinners they still do from ...[text shortened]... to time
good works.

Seems to me that Jesus death for our sins wasn't enough for you!
Kelly

You make it a point to say that are all saved, yet you also say that some
fall short with the only reason being is the good works they do. That is
huge in my eyes since people have always done good works, even the most
evil among us I bet manage a good now and then. Yet for some odd reason
you think Jesus needed to die and raise again to just keep things the way
they were, you do good works you get eternal life. What was the point?

The reason Jesus died was so we could be restored to the position we had
before the fall, so we could walk with God! So God could live in us, that
personal relationship I told you about! Without God's Spirit that isn't going
to happen, and the only reason you can get that is through Jesus Christ
not good works, good works are a byproduct not the cause of God giving
us His Spirit.
Kelly

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
RajK Placed the Following:
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My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(John 10:27-28 KJV)
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First of all, I care about your soul. I want you to have eternal life. I want you to have the exis ...[text shortened]... else do I type at this point? I hope that you take these comments as a response to your belief.

Stop with this preaching nonsense and maybe I will read the rest of your post :

First of all, I care about your soul. I want you to have eternal life.

This is a discussion forum. Save your evangelizing for elsewhere, thanks.

Originally posted by checkbaiter

1. The death of Christ paid the price for all sin of the world. All of mankind was saved from the condemnation that Adams sin brought.

This is your answer?
Alright then, If one does not do enough works, according to your belief, then what good did the price of the cross accomplish? Where is the profit?

The death of Christ was Gods gift to mankind. It is what was referred to as the Grace of God, a free gift, it is what mankind's own righteousness could never accomplish, hence the saying 'our righteousness is filthy rags'. Christ, the perfect sacrifice had to die for the sins of the world.

What that accomplished was an opportunity for life and that is the good news of the gospel. Without this sacrifice on the cross mankind was doomed as the wages of sin is death. Sin leads to death and through Adams sin, evil entered into the world. All of mankind would have been doomed to die, all men from the most evil to the most righteous would die and never get eternal life.

However as Christ said repeatedly, the way to eternal life is by following his commandments chief of which is to love God and your neighbour as yourself. Christ will judge and separate the sheep from the goats, the righteous from the evil.

Let me know if you need references for any thing I have said.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You make it a point to say that are all saved, yet you also say that some
fall short with the only reason being is the good works they do. That is
huge in my eyes since people have always done good works, even the most
evil among us I bet manage a good now and then. Yet for some odd reason
you think Jesus needed to die and raise again to just keep thing ...[text shortened]... t
not good works, good works are a byproduct not the cause of God giving
us His Spirit.
Kelly

You dont know the Bible. There was NO ETERNAL LIFE BEFORE CHRIST.

That is the good news of the gospel. Christ brought eternal life with him. If Christ did not die nobody would get eternal life, as all have sinned and all have fallen short, Nobody desereved eternal life.

Gods gift to man is the sacrifice of his son which paid for the sin brought into the world by Adam.

But as you admit a sinful, worldy Christian who professes Christ with his mouth is not going to be acceptable to Christ.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You dont know the Bible. There was NO ETERNAL LIFE BEFORE CHRIST.

That is the good news of the gospel. Christ brought eternal life with him. If Christ did not die nobody would get eternal life, as all have sinned and all have fallen short, Nobody desereved eternal life.

Gods gift to man is the sacrifice of his son which paid for the sin brought into th ...[text shortened]... l, worldy Christian who professes Christ with his mouth is not going to be acceptable to Christ.

So what! Nothing changed for man he does good works and gets it, why
would there be a need for Christ to do anything? Everyone sins, big deal
do some good works get eternal life, it is still man earning his way in, no
need for Christ to die. Man is just doing what man has always done, work
a little than you are good enough according to you.

You fall so short of scripture it isn't funny, you act as if not having God in
your life is just as normal as having Him in your life. That isn't something
to be desired or required and that is not scriptural! Without the Spirit of
God it is impossible to please God, if it is impossible to please God without
the Spirit of God in you, do you think a good work will change that?

You need to stop trying to establish your righteousness before God and
accept that which Jesus has done for you, if you keep on claiming you have
to work for your righteousness you will find yourself missing out on the
best part of life. Again, not claiming you will not do good works, but I am
without a doubt saying that if Jesus isn't your righteousness no matter how
much good works you are doing you will go to Hell.
Kelly

RajK,
You Typed:
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Stop with this preaching nonsense and maybe I will read the rest of your post :

First of all, I care about your soul. I want you to have eternal life.

This is a discussion forum. Save your evangelizing for elsewhere, thanks
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Did you read the rest of the former post I typed to you as a response?

Originally posted by Rajk999
The death of Christ was Gods gift to mankind. It is what was referred to as the Grace of God, a free gift, it is what mankind's own righteousness could never accomplish, hence the saying 'our righteousness is filthy rags'. Christ, the perfect sacrifice had to die for the sins of the world.

What that accomplished was an opportunity for life and that is th ...[text shortened]... s, the righteous from the evil.

Let me know if you need references for any thing I have said.

Gods plan of redemption since Genesis 3:15 has always been the promise of a Kinsman Redeemer.
It is foretold in so many ways throughout the Old Testament, you would need help to miss it. Apparently you have had help, probably from your Christadelphian church back ground.
The joy and rejoicing of any Christian should be the Cross, and what it accomplished!
Our sins, past, present and future have all been paid!

Heb 10:11-14

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
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At the cross Jesus paid for our healing...

1 Peter 2:24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed.
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The cross redeemed us from works...

Rom 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
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Rom 4:2-4
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
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Rom 4:6
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
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Rom 9:31-33
but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

"Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
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Rom 11:6
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
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I could quote a zillion of these type of scriptures...

Your interpretation of the bible is pathetic. You are still carnal and in need of salvation. You will be cast in the Lake of Fire with unbelievers and demons, unless you repent and receive with meekness the gift of God's holy spirit through Christ Jesus!

Originally posted by KellyJay
So what! Nothing changed for man he does good works and gets it, why
would there be a need for Christ to do anything? Everyone sins, big deal
do some good works get eternal life, it is still man earning his way in, no
need for Christ to die. Man is just doing what man has always done, work
a little than you are good enough according to you.

You fall ...[text shortened]... sn't your righteousness no matter how
much good works you are doing you will go to Hell.
Kelly

You claim to accept Christ with your mouth but your doctrine denies Christ and what he said about how to get eternal life. Paul is not going to give you eternal life.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Gods plan of redemption since Genesis 3:15 has always been the promise of a Kinsman Redeemer.
It is foretold in so many ways throughout the Old Testament, you would need help to miss it. Apparently you have had help, probably from your Christadelphian church back ground.
The joy and rejoicing of any Christian should be the Cross, and what it accomplis ...[text shortened]... unless you repent and receive with meekness the gift of God's holy spirit through Christ Jesus!

You claim to accept Christ with your mouth but your doctrine denies Christ and what he said about how to get eternal life. Paul is not going to give you eternal life.

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
RajK,
You Typed:
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Stop with this preaching nonsense and maybe I will read the rest of your post :

First of all, I care about your soul. I want you to have eternal life.

This is a discussion forum. Save your evangelizing for elsewhere, thanks
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Did you read the rest of the former post I typed to you as a response?

No. Christ said how to get eternal life.

I have had a long think about it and I would go with what Christ said, rather than what you say.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You claim to accept Christ with your mouth but your doctrine denies Christ and what he said about how to get eternal life. Paul is not going to give you eternal life.

There is nothing about my doctrine that denies Christ. I have never said
that Paul gives me eternal life, where in the world do you come up with
this stuff? Seriously, the points I have stressed to you which you do not
address is through Jesus Christ we receive God's Spirit and without God's
Spirit we cannot please God. Your doctrine basically denies this by making
the claim that anyone can be saved by doing good works. I have seen more
than one person on this site point out to you that scripture is very clear
that it is not by works least anyone should boast, so you are barking up
the wrong tree here!

So lets look at the points I have been making.
1. Through Jesus Christ we receive God's Holy Spirit who lives in us.
2. If you do not have God's Spirit you are not God's.
3. If you do not have God's Spirit you cannot please God.
4. If you cannot please God your works will do you no good.
5. If are relying on your works to save you, the scripture says that it is not
by works we are saved least any of us boast.

If you are going to suggest I'm doing or saying something wrong at least
have the common courtesy to use those things I have said or done don't
make things up, that is unbecoming.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
There is nothing about my doctrine that denies Christ. I have never said
that Paul gives me eternal life, where in the world do you come up with
this stuff? Seriously, the points I have stressed to you which you do not
address is through Jesus Christ we receive God's Spirit and without God's
Spirit we cannot please God. Your doctrine basically denies th ...[text shortened]... urtesy to use those things I have said or done don't
make things up, that is unbecoming.
Kelly

You are such a comedian.
I say you believe X.
You say NO I dont believe X
Then you attempt to show me that you really do Not believe X.
But your proof shows that you believe X

Basically I said that you dont believe what Christ said, you believe more in your interpretation of what Paul said. Here is the list of your doctrine. How many did Christ say:

1. Through Jesus Christ we receive God's Holy Spirit who lives in us.
2. If you do not have God's Spirit you are not God's.
3. If you do not have God's Spirit you cannot please God.
4. If you cannot please God your works will do you no good.
5. If are relying on your works to save you, the scripture says that it is not
by works we are saved least any of us boast.

NONE. Nothing you said was your doctrine, comes from Christ, NOTHING ..

1. Paul
2. Paul
3. Paul
4. Paul
5. Paul

You have twisted what Paul said and you cannot even repeat the CORE TEACHING OF CHRIST, which is to :

LOVE GOD AND YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF
DO THAT AND YOU WILL LIVE
DO IT NOT AND YOU WILL DIE.

That is what Christ said. Your doctrine condemns those who do that.
You are a deceiver and an antichrist.

Go in peace comedian. Im done.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You are such a comedian.
I say you believe X.
You say NO I dont believe X
Then you attempt to show me that you really do Not believe X.
But your proof shows that you believe X

Basically I said that you dont believe what Christ said, you believe more in your interpretation of what Paul said. Here is the list of your doctrine. How many did Christ say ...[text shortened]... those who do that.
You are a deceiver and an antichrist.

Go in peace comedian. Im done.[/b]

What Paul spoke was through revelation by Christ. I really think you are insane.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
What Paul spoke was through revelation by Christ. I really think you are insane.

What you have, is your own personal interpretation of what Christ revealed to Paul.

You take the nice easy parts Paul said:

believe
you get eternal life
you can sin


The hard parts the same Paul said, you ignore :

refrain from sin
do good works
give charity
help those in need
if you fall away you lose your salvation

etc etc.

The broad road that leads to destruction.

Yep .. Im the insane one.

Originally posted by Rajk999
What you have, is your own personal interpretation of what Christ revealed to Paul.

You take the nice easy parts Paul said:

believe
you get eternal life
you can sin


The hard parts the same Paul said, you ignore :

refrain from sin
do good works
give charity
help those in need
if you fall away you lose your salvation

etc etc.

The broad road that leads to destruction.

Yep .. Im the insane one.

Yes, you really are. You don't walk by the spirit, you don't even know what it means.. You have no personal relationship with Jesus.
You have been brainwashed by your cult religion and cannot receive the things of God.
All you have is a set of rules that you think is what the bible teaches. I hope you turn to The Lord and ask Him to reveal these things to you. Perhaps some day... I will keep you in my prayers..