Originally posted by jaywill
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I never said that it was the only solution, did I? If you think that the fact that there were more options available really makes it better,that's your problem.
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Why is it my problem? I am not living today under the law of Moses.
Its not a problem at all. Sorr run its course. I would regard this as a hate crime in my country.[/b]
It is your problem because you are obviously entering the path of a very visible double standard: killing unborn children (and the debate still rages on when life really begins) is bad but killing children is justified, burning people to death because they protested is justified, and stoning children to death is justified.
And I also don't see any reason to believe that they loved their children any less than today. All of that is of course irrelevant because it was the law of God that disobedient children should be stoned to death.
Just the fact that this is a possibility, a possibility that was condoned by Jesus, tells a lot on the supposed morality of the Bible and on the supposed mega-moral man that was Jesus. Once again: he brought eternal suffering into the equation (and by golly he delighted himself with it) and his good teachings were nothing of radically new: Confucius, Laozi and Buddha all preceded him.
And the fact that you try to justify the demand that disobedient children should be put to death by stoning by their on parents on the grounds of the
unique position of the nation only makes me see you as having a very distorted sense of morality.
Where do I derive my sense of morality? No doubt from having been raised on a Christian background. No doubt from growing up watching cartoons where were people unselfish and self-sacrificing. No doubt from growing up reading books about people that were all about the common good.
No doubt from a human tradition that goes way back (actually way back from Christianity) where people tried to look further than their closest ones and still see humanity.
The only judgment I fear is my own: when I'm about to close my eyes I just want to be a little bit happy about myself and what I tried to do.
It is really patronizing of you to think that morality only comes from Christianity, you know? Not only patronizing but fundamentalist. And if you truly are against religious fundamentalist you should try and change that outlook. Unlike what's on the Bible a great number of people aren't non believers out of ignorance you know? A lot of non believers are so due to a process of rational inquiry.
Other than the fact of telling you stuff that's on the Bible that you clearly didn't know about and even said that you doubt that was on the Bible, I guess I haven't showed you that I've read the whole Bible. Take it as you want, cause honestly arguing about this is totally void of any real value.
You know what a case by case basis is? You tried to turn the tables on me but you just failed. I can give you some situations where I agree to an abortion, and I also can give you some situations were I don't agree with an abortion. If you truly had went to a case by case analysis of the Bible I'd guess you'd have some objections to present. I'd guess you'd think that sometimes God and Jesus were just wrong. But this is what you have to say:
No. I can point out cases which as of yet I may not understand as deeply as I would like. When this happens I don't jump to the occasion to fault God, slandering, and accusing God. I put it on the back burner until such time greater spritual maturity enlightens me.
Which is basically equivalent to saying that whenever something bothers on the Bible you just stop thinking about it until somehow, someway you can just shrug it off and accept it.
If your God has to send two bears to tear 42 children to pieces, how loving is He?
If your God orders the total and complete annihilation of the Amekelites (just because their very distant ancestors had a fight with Moses) and punishes Saul when he leaves their king and some animals alive, how loving is He?
Why does your God order the killing of raped women for not screaming loud enough?
Why does your God that says that He creates everything can't love homosexuals?
Why does your God brags about his constants bouts of bravado and machismo?
Why does your God demands total subjugation and constant self-humiliation?
If this is truly a God that exists I just say that he has a lot of explaining to do. A real lot of explaining to do.