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Originally posted by @sonshipMore deceit and twisting of the bible.
John's Gospel says that [b]"as many as RECEIVED Him" have authority to become children of God.
Rajk999 is teaching that those who received Him AND those who did not receive but rejected and disbelieved in Him, God gave this authority.
Here is the passage contrary to Rajk999's Universalism.
[quote] "But as many as received Him, to them He g ...[text shortened]... of God.
His teaching is that as many as both BELIEVED AND WOULD NOT BELIEVE are born of God.
The last thing in John 1:12 is not a full stop BUT a COLON. You crookedly removed the COLON and placed instead a full stop as if the sentence ends there. Here it is:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13 KJV)
Those sons of God, who believed on his name is explained. .. sons of God are born of God and not of the flesh or of the will of man
John further explains in the epistles:
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (1 John 3:1-6 KJV)
Every man that has the hope that he will be called a son of God,
- must purify himself.
- must refrain from sin
A far cry from the nonsense doctrine preached by you.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI posted the entirety of Romans 3 and they still didn't 'get it'. Don't hold your breath waiting.
Read Romans 3 don't stop at Romans 2.
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Originally posted by @rajk999
More deceit and twisting of the bible.
Prove it.
The last thing in John 1:12 is not a full stop BUT a COLON. You crookedly removed the COLON and placed instead a full stop as if the sentence ends there. Here it is:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13 KJV)
I selected the pertinent part of the passage.
Your including the colon and continuing does absolutely nothing to refute my point.
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Those sons of God, who believed on his name is explained. .. sons of God are born of God and not of the flesh or of the will of man
How did this refute my point ?
Explain how inclusion of the words following the colon render my point incorrect.
John further explains in the epistles:
That is great that John "further explains". But explain HOW what he explains up to the previous point refutes anything that I wrote.
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
How does that refute ANYTHING I said in the post of mine to which this post is a reply?
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
I am still waiting to see how ANYTHING in this verse refutes what I analyzed as your brand of Universal salvation to those who and who do not receive and believe into the Son of God.
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And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Where did I advocate NOT purifying one's self after believing and receiving Jesus Christ?
Where did I say something like:
"Now folks there is no need to purify yourself if you have this hope in you that you are one of the children of God."
Quite the contrary. To be given the authority to become children of God includes the authority to purify one's self in cooperation with His sanctifying process.
It should be obvious that purifying ourselves does not mean REDEEMING ourselves.
Only the blood of Jesus can redeem us.
His redeeming blood ushers us into the family of God.
Having been born of God the believer now has the living hope in her or him.
And correspondingly he or she may cooperate with the sanctifying process.
Now if we fail to do this kind of purifying via cooperating with sanctification John DOES say that we run the possibility of being put to shame from Him at His coming.
" And now little children abide in Him, so that if He is manifested, we may have boldness and not be put to shame from Him at His coming. If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness also has been begotten of Him." (1 John 2:28,29)
1.) The saved Christian who does not learn to practice to abide in Him may be put to shame from Him at His coming.
This is related to the loss of reward, to "suffer loss," yet to still be saved yet so as through fire.
" If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." ( 1 Cor. 3:15)
You've never been able to prove that this is a heretical teaching, because it is clearly not.
2.) So the purifying is related to ABIDING in Him. And that is also to practice righteousness.
Remaining in touch - "abiding".
Logging more time in His presence - "abiding"
Growing up into Him not just in some things but in all things (Eph. 4:15) - "abiding".
Heeding the anointing which John elaborates on - "abiding".
Using the authority given to mature from child to son to heir - the result and prize of "abiding".
John is talking about having "BOLDNESS" before Jesus Christ when He is manifested.
Why wait? we can come forward NOW with boldness to the throne of grace.
And with the praising, praying, thanking and calling mouth it helps.
3.) Failing to practice the abiding in Him may result in not only not having boldness when He is manifested. But one may be "put to shame from Him".
Contrary to you accusing me of teaching lawless disregard for sanctification, I have taught over the years that this passage does not mean simply to HAVE a feeling of shame. The expression is to be "PUT to shame from Him" .
In this case it is not to lose eternal redemption. The Christian is not saved eternally because of his works.
Put to shame from Him may be classed with losing the reward but still being saved, for Christ is faithful to Himself.
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Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (1 John 3:1-6 KJV)
Relative and suggesting strongly the need for GROWTH and ongoing obedience to the teaching of the anointing and sanctification. In short deeper and deeper abiding in Him.
The anointing teaches the saved believer to abide in Him.
" And as for you, the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone teach you; but as His anointing teaches you concerning all things and is true and is not a lie, and even as it has taught you, ABIDE in Him. (v.27)
And now, little children, ABIDE in Him, so that if He is manifested, we may have boldness and not be put to shame from Him at His coming." (v.28)
Once Saved Always Saved.
Once Saved NOT (necessarily) Always Having Boldness Before Him at His Coming.
My teachings here are designed that Christians WOULD have boldness.
I advocate what should be NORMAL not what might be TYPICAL.
Every man that has the hope that he will be called a son of God,
- must purify himself.
- must refrain from sin
Go over the last six years of my posts and select even ONE that encouraged Christians to NOT purify themselves.
Produce one post of me teaching there was NO NEED for a Christian to be sanctified.
Better yet, produce one post encouraging Christians to DISOBEY the Lord Jesus.
Your next post should have that unambiguous and untwisted example of me encouraging believers in Christ to continue living the old sad live of sinning.
A far cry from the nonsense doctrine preached by you.
Your next post to me will produce just ONE sample from over the last several YEARS that I encouraged behavior such that the Christian would NOT have BOLDNESS when Christ is suddenly manifested.
Originally posted by @sonshipRejection of God in this life time allows Him to avoid the notion that only those that go to
No, as the Bible teaches I also advocate - drawing near to God in heart AND using the mouth as an aid TO that.
God now, believing in Him, putting their faith in Him, obeying Him, knowing Him will be
saved. This destroys the notion those without God in this life will also be without God in
the next life, since they did not believe in the One God sent, they will not have the Son
they will not have the Father who sent Him.
Originally posted by @kellyjaySo do Jews - by which I mean adherents of Judaism - go to "hell"?
Rejection of God in this life time allows Him to avoid the notion that only those that go to
God now, believing in Him, putting their faith in Him, obeying Him, knowing Him will be
saved. This destroys the notion those without God in this life will also be without God in
the next life, since they did not believe in the One God sent, they will not have the Son
they will not have the Father who sent Him.