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So you’ve asked one question to which I’ve replied, but you dont want to follow up on that, instead you now want to fire a further salvo?
I obviously acknowledge your reply.
You consider yourself a logical child.
That does explain some things.
And I ask you another.
What am I doing that you don't do?
So answer. I have many more that I could try on you since you continue to lie that yours are evaded.
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Divegeester,
When Jesus says He and His Father will come to His lover to make an abode with him as "We" in John 14:23, Which one of the "We" is NOT God ?
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
Which one of the "We" there is not God - the Father or the Son ?
12 Nov 18
@sonship saidHe spends more time worrying about metaphors than He does sharing the grace
@divegeesterLogical child.
Game over.
You are a logical child ?
Well, you've been one for far too long.
Grow up.
If you should turn out to be wrong and God does condemn His enemies to eternal torment,
will you stay with the unrighteous God or ask Him to allow you to spend eternity with Satan in his "wrong" and "unrighteous" torment ?
I don't think you've ever given me a straight answer.
of Jesus Christ.
12 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidYou spend too much time engaged in prideful damage limitation after misunderstanding or misexpressing theoretical things and not enough time demonstrating some influence of Jesus Christ that others might want to emulate.
He spends more time worrying about metaphors than He does sharing the grace
of Jesus Christ.
12 Nov 18
@suzianne saidSOME "Christians" DO taint Christianity, but their creed is not what Christianity is. Christianity is alive and well, as is our God and our Lord, Jesus, the Christ.
First of all, my accusations are not "ill-considered". Your remarkable ego demands that you act as if you are the only one in this forum with a brain, but I assure you that this is not the case.
Yes, you accuse Christians. Yes, recently I have been accusing Christians. There is, however, a crucial difference. (hahhhh, see what I did there? Bah, nevermind...)
The d ...[text shortened]... hat Christianity is. Christianity is alive and well, as is our God and our Lord, Jesus, the Christ.
Unfortunately it's much more than "SOME". In 2016 Trump had a 58%-39% margin over Clinton amongst Protestants. 52%-45% amongst Catholics.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
Given your views about Christians who vote Republican, how can you reasonably consider Christianity to be "alive and well"? To put it in perspective, note the percentages amongst non-Christians.
How can that possibly be?
Whether you want to admit it or not, Christianity does not have the gospel preached by Jesus as its foundation. Instead it has the gospel preached by Paul and his followers as its foundation. This is the underlying problem.
Your accusations appear to be borne from simple hate, you attack ALL Christians as having a hollow faith, while you yourself do not even believe.
I'm not "attack[ing] ALL Christians". Rather I'm pointing out that the foundation of Christianity is unsound - it's built upon sand. If the gospel preached by Jesus were the foundation of Christianity, only a small percentage of Christians would vote Republican - no less for the likes of Trump.
They make a mockery of what it actually means to be Christian. I do what I do because I AM a Christian. I love God, and I try to love my neighbor as I love myself, and I usually succeed, unless I am met with someone claiming to be like Jesus and yet they spit on Jesus; it's very hard to love these types of Christians.
Yes there are those who really do try to "love your neighbor as yourself". Unfortunately you're in the minority.
My accusations have been towards people who know better, and yet still cannot be bothered to do what they know is right.
No idea how you've drawn the conclusion that they "know better". Read their posts. They believe that they are "of [His] sheep", that they "hear His voice", that they "follow [Him]". They believe that they have been "born again" and are guided by the "Holy Spirit". The believe and are emboldened by the idea that they have "the word of God" as their foundation - no matter how far removed they are from "lov[ing] your neighbor as yourself".
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@sonship saidYou gave me a choice of two alternatives, they were YOUR alternatives with no explanation of what they meant. You demanded I choose, so I did. Unequivocally.
@divegeester
So you’ve asked one question to which I’ve replied, but you dont want to follow up on that, instead you now want to fire a further salvo?
I obviously acknowledge your reply.
You consider yourself a logical child.
That does explain some things.
And I ask you another.
What am I doing that you don't do?
So answer. I have many more that I could try on you since you continue to lie that yours are evaded.
Are you prepared to unequivocally answer my question now?
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@sonship saidAre you now going to answer my question?
@divegeester
If you should turn out to be wrong and God does condemn His enemies to eternal torment,
will you stay with the unrighteous God or ask Him to allow you to spend eternity with Satan in his "wrong" and "unrighteous" torment ?
I await your answer.
And another:
If God is a final decider of ultimate destinies involving either eternal life or eternal punishment, is He less competent then you to do so?
Yes or No ?
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@sonship saidAre you now going to answer my question?
Divegeester,
When Jesus says He and His Father will come to His lover to make an abode with him as "We" in John 14:23, Which one of the "We" is NOT God ?
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
Which one of the "We" there is not God - the Father or the Son ?