Originally posted by rwingett
If we are all sinners, then you are just as separated from god as I. But for some reason, you claim to experience 'god' whereas I do not. The difference (it seems) is that by confessing your sins (to god) your separation has allegedly been removed. This seems no different to me than saying, "I believe because I believe."
If we are all sinners, then you are just as separated from god as I.
I am not just as separated as you. I am much more so, when I do not confess and avail myself of the power of the blood of Jesus. I am worst than all of you.
The good news is this, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sins so as to remove, obliterate the separation. We can have communion with God. In fact He becomes more to us than simply our Creator. We may intimately know Him and Him Daddy - or "Abba Father, my own dear Father"
When a person has used the key to draw close to God, what's wrong with him wanting to share it.
I am a worst sinner probably than you. I found that Christ's blood erases the guilt of sins and peace floods into one's conscience. God the Father becomes one Whom you can taste.
"Taste and see that the Lord is good."
But for some reason, you claim to experience 'god' whereas I do not. The difference (it seems) is that by confessing your sins (to god) your separation has allegedly been removed. This seems no different to me than saying, "I believe because I believe."
An agnostic friend once complained to me saying "This is the problem I have with the Christian Gospel, you have to have faith to believe and you have to believe to have faith."
I went home stumped and thought how to answer such a person. I found out that he was right. You have to have faith to believe and you have to believe to have faith.
Even the Bible says the same - "But without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to Him, for he who comes forward to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who deligently seek Him." (Hebrews 11:6)
So the Bible somewhat agrees with you. Congradulations. A person must believe that God is to come forward to God.
Now this thread was more practical than philosophical. So maybe this will be of no use to you.
I entitled is "IF God is not real to you ..."
Okay, so some thoughful person objects - "But you're saying you believe because you believe." Maybe. But that in itself doesn't mean that God is not real. There is I think a class of things of which you have to believe in to have faith in which are reality. God is in that class.
But again, the focus of my contribution is that one should seriously look at the barrier of the sins she or he has committed.
"Your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God ..."
That is a far more practical starting point, I think. It is more practical than musing for the rest of your life "Let me see. How do I get out of this philisophical delimma? I have to have faith in order to believe and I have to believe in order to have faith."
That may be an unsolvable philosophical puzzle. But here is a good practical starting point to touching God:
"I confess to you God, that I am a sinner. I enjoy my sinning. I cannot change myself. But I accept Christ's dying for me for the forgiveness of my sins. I reason along with you God. THough my sins are indeed like a red crimson stain on my character, you will make it as white as snow because of Jesus. Thank you God. I receive this forgiveness."
You will not be put to shame.