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Originally posted by whodeyGovernament should stay out of marring people and let the churches do it.
Cause they want their "rights". If you took the government perks away then they probably would not even bother on average.
Originally posted by RBHILLYes the elected representatives of the people should back off and let the self selected churches
Governament should stay out of marring people and let the churches do it.
Originally posted by VoidSpirit"...marriage is nothing more than a legal contract between two or more individuals."
stop deluding yourself. marriage was not originated by religion, it was hijacked by it.
marriage is nothing more than a legal contract between two or more individuals. it has been so since its inception.
Originally posted by FMFThe simple fact of the matter is that American society is not as religious as it once was. Anyone can attest to this. At one time, you had prayer in the schools and everything was closed on Sundays. Today, if you pray in school then you get sent before a firing squad and sued and Sundays are just another day.
Marriage in the U.S. is not very common nowadays?
Wiki tells us that 83 percent of Americans identify with a religious denomination, 40 percent state that they attend services nearly every week or more, and 58 percent say that they pray at least weekly. Are these people "secular"? Are these people 'not bothering' to get married before they start families?
about "government perks"? What figures do you have for years such as 2000, 2005, 2011?
Originally posted by FMFInjustice between people? What about a person who enters a marriage who has a great deal of wealth and is targeted by another who merely wants that wealth by marrying them? The state can settle differences like they do for anyone else. The fact that they have sex together should be of no consequence.
A government recognizing and enforcing contractual obligations and offering the possibility of recourse if there is injustice between people, contributes to economic security and stability, of course. It is not a "government perk". Is this your main defence of your ultra-cynical stance?
Originally posted by whodeyHmmm I wasn't clear I will admit.
Do what they like? What do you think this is, a free country? 🙄
Originally posted by googlefudgePeople should be free to have whoever they wish marry them. Also, if anyone has qualms about marrying a couple, they should not be forced to do so and stand by their intuition, whether it be good or bad.
Hmmm I wasn't clear I will admit.
RBHILL was suggesting that marriages should be the sole preserve of churches who
presumably get to determine who can get married to whom and under what circumstances.
One of the major points and purposes of an elected government is to protect people from
institutions and corporations who might otherwise exploit ot churches should be made to perform those ceremonies is a separate and open question.
Originally posted by whodeyThe government's recognition and certification of marriage where I live goes some way towards affording women - who are relatively vulnerable and discriminated against in this culture - a degree of protection and security because of their legal status.
It's simple really, afford people the freedom to live their lives and have government go take a flying leap off a bridge somewhere.
Originally posted by FMF"-is often the woman" . I beg to differ here. While the man might have the physically advantage, it is often the woman that has the upper hand when going into a relationship, (legally i mean) -at least it is my part of the world (australia,especially brisbane).
The institution of marriage is a stable economic unit in which two people commit to support and provide companionship to each other and, if they choose, to raise children, and offer some financial security to both partners, which is especially crucial for the weaker or more economically vulnerable partner, which in many cultures - and in heterosexual marriages - ...[text shortened]... elatively easy. I think there are plenty of reasons to get married even if one is not religious.
Originally posted by galveston75It is a good ideal for those that are suited to that type of relationship. Good on them,I say, but as divorce rates are around 50% (again,in my part of the world), I would have to conclude that a lot of young people have gone and gotten married , quite often from spiritual pressure from society and parents (who goto church and that),without really thinking it through properly.
So why did God institute the marriage arrangment?