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In the beginning

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Genesis 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

I've asked this before.
Some believe in a steady state universe.
Some believe the universe created itself out of nothing.
Some believe in this that or the other things.

With cause (defend your belief) can anyone come up with a reason for everything?


@kellyjay said
Genesis 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

I've asked this before.
Some believe in a steady state universe.
Some believe the universe created itself out of nothing.
Some believe in this that or the other things.

With cause (defend your belief) can anyone come up with a reason for everything?
Some believe the universe created itself out of nothing.

I know of no one who believes this. IIRC you've repeatedly made this claim in the past and have been repeatedly corrected. If that's the case, how do you justify your dishonesty to yourself?


@kellyjay said
With cause (defend your belief) can anyone come up with a reason for everything?
What do you mean by "a reason"?

It seems to me, by using that word, you seek to restrict the discussion to the reiteration of religious-type theories about the "intent" of some kind of supernatural being.

If so, then who is it you want to have that discussion with here? Fellow creationists?

You should define what you mean by "a reason" in this context.

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@kellyjay said
Genesis 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

I've asked this before.
Some believe in a steady state universe.
Some believe the universe created itself out of nothing.
Some believe in this that or the other things.

With cause (defend your belief) can anyone come up with a reason for everything?
Please specify one person here who believes the universe created itself out of nothing.


@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Please specify one person here who believes the universe created itself out of nothing.


I think you do when what you propose is closely examined.

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There are two major In the beginning[s] in the word of God.

Genesis 1:1
&
John 1:1

But they are not the same.
Genesis 1:1 is the beginning of the creation of the heavens and the earth, ie the universe.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Gen 1:1)

The "beginning" in John 1:1 is different. That is the, lets say, the beginning WITHOUT a beginning. That is eternity.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. " (John 1:1)

That is a human language limitation. It expresses eternity. It expresses without beginning - ever existing.

Remember the there is in the Bible the beginning of the universe. And there is an eternal life without beginning - God, even the Triune God.

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No takers, no one has a reason for why they believe what they do, and don't even want to admit what they think?


@kellyjay said
No takers, no one has a reason for why they believe what they do, and don't even want to admit what they think?
You should define what you mean by "a reason" in this context.


@sonship said
I think you do when what you propose is closely examined.
I think you should examine more closely what Ghost of a Duke believes and not engage in this sophistry.



@kellyjay said
No takers, no one has a reason for why they believe what they do, and don't even want to admit what they think?
To use a metaphor, half way down page 1, this comes across as a premature ejaculation.

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The "reason" why "God" created the universe appears to be, according to many Christians, to set up a kind of laboratory for inherently evil and wicked creatures he has created, a laboratory which "He" uses to figure out which ones "He" is going to torture for not believing "He" had set up the laboratory.

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