Indian triumph

Originally posted by @philokalia
I think it's important to understand what hell is -- it is a place where people send themselves by their own actions.

Don't be so silly.

Originally posted by @fmf
Your belief that your moral standards are objective is a subjective one.

From your perspective maybe, from my perspective they are logically consistent with my belief in God.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
From your perspective maybe, from my perspective they are logically consistent with my belief in God.

That you think your superstitions are "logically consistent" with this that or the other falls completely within the realm of subjectivity.

Originally posted by @fmf
Don't be so silly.

Don't you believe that actions can have consequences?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Don't you believe that actions can have consequences?

I don't believe they have supernatural consequences and you and other Christians are completely unable to show me that they do. Philokalia's "people send themselves to Hell" riff is plain silly ~ although I understand that it's a rhetorical cliche that countless Christians employ. It's just a silly slogan that believers say to other believers.

Originally posted by @fmf
That you think your superstitions are "logically consistent" with this that or the other falls completely within the realm of subjectivity.

Within the paradigm of subjective truth nothing is objectively true. How do you know that your claim about me is true? By true I mean objectively true. If your claim isn't objectively true it is self defeating.

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't believe they have supernatural consequences and you and other Christians are completely unable to show me that they do. Philokalia's "people send themselves to Hell" riff is plain silly ~ although I understand that it's a rhetorical cliche that countless Christians employ. It's just a silly slogan that believers say to other believers.

I think it's more a case of you not being able to think outside of your little box.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Within the paradigm of subjective truth nothing is objectively true. How do you know that your claim about me is true? By true I mean objectively true. If your claim isn't objectively true it is self defeating.

Of course there are objective truths. But religious people of various stripes and hues claiming that their conjecture about supernatural beings - and their wishes - is somehow NOT subjective - is not among them.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I think it's more a case of you not being able to think outside of your little box.

My perspectives are based on having been in your little box for some considerable time - and now being outside it - and not in a religious box anymore.

Originally posted by @fmf
Of course there are objective truths. But religious people of various stripes and hues claiming that their conjecture about supernatural beings and their wishes is not subjective is not among them.

Since you believe objective truth exists, how do you know that all religious claims are subjective and that none of them contain objective truth?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Since you believe objective truth exists, how do you know that all religious claims are subjective and that none of them contain objective truth?

For exactly the same reasons that I gave you when we discussed this several times before - including when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk.

Originally posted by @fmf
My perspectives are based on having been in your little box for some considerable time - and now being outside it - and not in a religious box anymore.

So how do you know that all religions are false and that none of them contain any truth?

Originally posted by @fmf
For exactly the same reasons that I gave you when we discussed this several times before - including when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk.

Same copout as before. 😴

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Within the paradigm of subjective truth nothing is objectively true.

Donald Trump is the president of the U.S. = objectively true
The U.S. would be better off with Cory Booker as president = subjective
Roe v Wade legalized abortion in the U.S. in 1973 = objectively true
Roe v Wade is bad law = subjective
Roe v Wade is good law = subjective
People disagree about whether Roe v Wade is good law or bad law = objective

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Same copout as before. 😴

Being consistent and sticking to what I have argued in the past is not a cop-out.