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  1. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    06 Sep '18 12:51
    Gay sex no longer criminal offence in India.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45429664

    That is a lot of people celebrating!
  2. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    06 Sep '18 12:57
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Gay sex no longer criminal offence in India.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45429664

    That is a lot of people celebrating!
    So this is a religious issue now? I can now worship the gay god of my choice?
  3. 06 Sep '18 22:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Gay sex no longer criminal offence in India.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45429664

    That is a lot of people celebrating!
    It's still immoral albeit not a criminal offense.
  4. 06 Sep '18 22:59
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    It's not freedom to be a slave to immoral behavior.
  5. 07 Sep '18 01:35
    The Dive comment was honestly puzzling.

    That sounds really uncouth and improper, and it sounds like you have a bias against Indians... 🙁
  6. 07 Sep '18 03:52
    India needs a Pride Carnival!
  7. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    07 Sep '18 08:58
    Originally posted by @secondson
    It's still immoral albeit not a criminal offense.
    I understand how it is seen as "sinful" but I have never seen you make any argument supporting the idea it is "immoral", in and of itself.
  8. 07 Sep '18 10:57
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I understand how it is seen as "sinful" but I have never seen you make any argument supporting the idea it is "immoral", in and of itself.
    "It", homosexuality, is "immoral" sexual behavior, and if one needs an argument to prove it, then one is ...

    Provide an argument justifying homosexuality as moral.
  9. 07 Sep '18 12:45
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    I thought this thread was about India and not San Fran.
  10. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    07 Sep '18 12:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @secondson
    "It", homosexuality, is "immoral" sexual behavior, and if one needs an argument to prove it, then one is ...

    Provide an argument justifying homosexuality as moral.
    How is it immoral? I get that your religious beliefs have you believing it is "sinful". But I am not religious: what is your argument for it being "immoral". I'm not interested in - or, more accurately, I am not affected or persuaded by - your notions of supernatural "law" and "sin". You are perfectly entitled to hold those ideas and perspectives. But, you're talking to an atheist who is interested in the topic of morality. Your notion of "sin" aside, how is homesexual sex - in and of itself - "immoral"?
  11. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    07 Sep '18 13:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Provide an argument justifying homosexuality as moral.
    Morality governs interactions between people. If a homosexual relationship is loving, if there is no deceit, if there is no hurt or harm, if there is no endangering negligence, if promises are kept, if there is no coercion, and if there is informed consent, then how is it anything but moral?
  12. 07 Sep '18 16:37
    Originally posted by @secondson
    It's not freedom to be a slave to immoral behavior.
    I said secular freedom.
  13. 07 Sep '18 16:38
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    Why the 3 thumbs down folks?

    It is a big step forward for secular freedom and they do, to a significant degree, crap in the street.

    Help me understand your disdain?
  14. 08 Sep '18 02:01
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Morality governs interactions between people. If a homosexual relationship is loving, if there is no deceit, if there is no hurt or harm, if there is no endangering negligence, if promises are kept, if there is no coercion, and if there is informed consent, then how is it anything but moral?
    What is interesting is that this would allow for both homosexuals to engage in wild sexual romps on the side if they were both aware of it and it was part of the 'agreement,' so to speak.

    Wouldn't that be immoral?

    I am guessing you will be foreced to say 'no' because, as an atheist, your idea of morality literally can only boil down to a no-harm principle...
  15. 08 Sep '18 02:05
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Why the 3 thumbs down folks?

    It is a big step forward for secular freedom and they do, to a significant degree, crap in the street.

    Help me understand your disdain?
    You are being obtuse.

    So, some segment of the Korean population still eats dog. Most of the international community views that as immoral. The arguments of the international community are persuasive, and a huge amount of Koreans feel that eating dog these days is disturbing and disgusting.

    Probably some of the only people left who eat it are old men who partly revel in the fact taht it bothers others.

    If you refer to Koreans as dog-eaters, which is now something that the bulk of the society regards as shameful, you are being a jerk.

    I am guessing that this is the same with India! Many Indians do not want to crap on the street and think that it is a terrible aspect of their culture. Perhps some of them have been shamefully forced into doing the act occasionally due to the total lack of public toilets.

    The country doesn't want to be known for this and is trying to change.