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@kellyjay said
The thing about absolute truths is they don't change with opinions, whims, or due to culture, or political affiliations.

All you are doing is expressing your personal subjective opinion about what the "absolute truths" are.

@kellyjay said
As long as you keep thinking everything is up in the air as far as truth is concerned, you cannot be shown you are right or wrong since you have dismissed those two things as even being possible, that is your error.

Your error is that you think your certainty that you are right about what the truth is about the origin of the universe can alter the brute fact that nobody knows how it originated ~ and that we can only speculate about it [and that goes for scientists and thrologians alike].

@kellyjay said
If you are saying everyone just believe whatever you want, you turn away from absolutes to merely embrace nothing but a subjective worldview that can change on a dime.

No one is saying you cannot embrace whatever subjective worldview you want and no one is saying you have to "change on a dime" if you don’t want to.

@kellyjay said
I'm pretty convinced that God did it, from beginning to end there are no loose ends as you have with your worldview.

People who simply declare "God did it", regardless of which god or gods they are referring to, can also simply declare that "there are no loose ends" in their worldview, and if that satisfies them, then so be it.

@fmf said
Your belief in your God figure is you being about as subjective as subjective can be.

Not if God is real.

@suzianne said
Not if God is real.

We don't know if God is real, so claims that he is ~ not matter how strong people's faith is ~ are subjective opinions.

@suzianne said
Not if God is real.

KellyJay's opinion about God my be correct but as long as he cannot demonstrate that God's existence is an objective empirical fact, his belief remains a subjective opinion. I had you pegged as a Christian who understands what faith is.

@fmf said
We don't know if God is real, so claims that he is ~ not matter how strong people's faith is ~ are subjective opinions.

If God were proven real tomorrow, would KJ claiming God is real suddenly transform into an objective fact from subjective opinion? I'm not sure that is how that works.

Objective facts would seem objective facts, regardless how many (or how few) people believe it is fact.


Let's say that "God is real" is a subjective opinion, pending proof. If proof is never delivered, then naturally, some people will believe it, and some won't.

This is called free will.