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@suzianne saidThe statement “god is real” is a subjective opinion. This is a fact.
Let's say that "God is real" is a subjective opinion, pending proof. If proof is never delivered, then naturally, some people will believe it, and some won't.
If the entire population of the world held the same subjective opinion it still wouldn’t make the reality of their opinion and objective fact.
20 Apr 23
@fmf saidArguing the merits of logic (even when taking a devil's advocate stance) does not ipso facto suggest that I do not know what faith is. So please do not insult my intelligence here. (I understand it's far more likely that you are simply attempting to score cheap internet brownie points.)
KellyJay's opinion about God my be correct but as long as he cannot demonstrate that God's existence is an objective empirical fact, his belief remains a subjective opinion. I had you pegged as a Christian who understands what faith is.
20 Apr 23
@divegeester saidIn case you missed the conversation being held in this very thread, IF God is real, then "God is real" is an objective fact.
The statement “god is real” is a subjective opinion. This is a fact.
If the entire population of the world held the same subjective opinion it still wouldn’t make the reality of their opinion and objective fact.
Regardless your attempts to play KellyJay as some sort of bumbling fool.
@suzianne saidLike KellyJay, you are conflating the meaning of subjectivity and objectivity. Even IF God is real, KellyJay's opinion that he is real is subjective. I did not bring up the issue of your intelligence, you did
Arguing the merits of logic (even when taking a devil's advocate stance) does not ipso facto suggest that I do not know what faith is. So please do not insult my intelligence here. (I understand it's far more likely that you are simply attempting to score cheap internet brownie points.)
@suzianne saidKellyJay is not saying "if". He is stating that God is real. This is a subjective opinion until the objectivity of the claim that "God is real" is demonstrated to be true.
In case you missed the conversation being held in this very thread, IF God is real, then "God is real" is an objective fact.
Presumably once we die, at which point it may or may not be established as true.
If "God is true" were an objective truth, that would negate the claims that you have been making about free will here for over a decade.
21 Apr 23
I'm not sure it's all mechanical; certainly though, given structural quality and the unity of scripture on the subject, the fact a temple drawing plan is included in sacred writings yields significance to a consecrated work or in general purposes of going into architecture.
21 Apr 23
@fmf saidAnd that's why we can't have proof of concept.
If "God is true" were an objective truth, that would negate the claims that you have been making about free will here for over a decade.
A thing can easily be true without proof.
True or false, it's your call to make, only for yourself. That is free will.
21 Apr 23
@suzianne saidThere can be proof that something is true AND free will in terms of whether to obey the instructions stemming from that truth. They are not mutually exclusive.
And that's why we can't have proof of concept.A thing can easily be true without proof.True or false, it's your call to make, only for yourself. That is free will.
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@of-ants-and-imps said“Unity of scripture” about the creation of the universe?
I'm not sure it's all mechanical; certainly though, given structural quality and the unity of scripture on the subject, the fact a temple drawing plan is included in sacred writings yields significance to a consecrated work or in general purposes of going into architecture.
What “temple drawing plan” in what “sacred scriptures”?
Are you reading the under 10s “Good News” version?
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@of-ants-and-imps saidAnd you think that diagram in your bible which was added by the publisher equates to being “temple drawing plan included in sacred writings” ?
It's Ezekiel's temple in the living bible.