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every time a quote from the bible pops up on here there seem to be several different interpretations of what it means. this has always caused me problems, surly a being intelligent enough to create the universe would also be able to spread its message in a clear way that can not be corrupted or misinterpreted.
do christians think that much of the bibles meanings are ambiguous on purpose? for example "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not murder" two translations neither which have clarity in their meaning. has god made them vague so they can be flexible to fit many societies and their attitude towards killing.
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieIt is mistranslated and misinterpreted due to man's lack of knowledge and not
every time a quote from the bible pops up on here there seem to be several different interpretations of what it means. this has always caused me problems, surly a being intelligent enough to create the universe would also be able to spread its message in a clear way that can not be corrupted or misinterpreted.
do christians think that much of the bible ...[text shortened]... them vague so they can be flexible to fit many societies and their attitude towards killing.
due to any shortcomings of God. It is clear from reading the whole of scripture
that the verse you refer to does not prohibit all types of killings. So we know
that it can not be "thou shall not kill" but must be "thou shall not murder".
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Originally posted by RJHinds"thou shall not murder" is also extremely vague. it does not clarify what god classifies as 'murder'. humans struggle to decide what constitutes as murder, juries have to be gathered to go over and over cases to decide if its 'murder' an more often than not can not all agree.
It is mistranslated and misinterpreted due to man's lack of knowledge and not
due to any shortcomings of God. It is clear from reading the whole of scripture
that the verse you refer to does not prohibit all types of killings. So we know
that it can not be "thou shall not kill" but must be "thou shall not murder".
so how does a christian know what is a murder in gods eyes? do christians believe that the ambiguity is there on purpose?
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieIf you go by the Golden Rule, which Christ says all the laws are based, then things become a little more clearer.
"thou shall not murder" is also extremely vague. it does not clarify what god classifies as 'murder'. humans struggle to decide what constitutes as murder, juries have to be gathered to go over and over cases to decide if its 'murder' an more often than not can not all agree.
so how does a christian know what is a murder in gods eyes? do christians believe that the ambiguity is there on purpose?
So don't kill if you don't want to be killed. However, if you do kill don't be surprised if someone tries to kill you.
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by whodeyI don't want a bomb dropped on me.
If you go by the Golden Rule, which Christ says all the laws are based, then things become a little more clearer.
So don't kill if you don't want to be killed. However, if you do kill don't be surprised if someone tries to kill you.
Therefore I should not fly a plane over a foreign country and drop a bomb on others.
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Originally posted by whodey'the golden rule' a good example of more vague rules in the bible. it offers no clarity, i would say its worse then the 'thou shall not murder' rule. it opens up all kinds of questions on how we can behave towards other people.
If you go by the Golden Rule, which Christ says all the laws are based, then things become a little more clearer.
So don't kill if you don't want to be killed. However, if you do kill don't be surprised if someone tries to kill you.
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by whodeySo suicide bombers are adhering to the 'Golden Rule' then? What about abortion and assisting in voluntary Euthanasia these are not classed as murder in some legal systems but many Christians are adamant that they are just that. Any help from the bible on this.
If you go by the Golden Rule, which Christ says all the laws are based, then things become a little more clearer.
So don't kill if you don't want to be killed. However, if you do kill don't be surprised if someone tries to kill you.
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieI think we must use common sense to determine murder from self-defense and
"thou shall not murder" is also extremely vague. it does not clarify what god classifies as 'murder'. humans struggle to decide what constitutes as murder, juries have to be gathered to go over and over cases to decide if its 'murder' an more often than not can not all agree.
so how does a christian know what is a murder in gods eyes? do christians believe that the ambiguity is there on purpose?
accidents. God should not have to spell it all out in detail. By reason we should
know that killing an innocent person on purpose is murder. Therefore, the act
of abortion is murder.
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Originally posted by RJHindsyou could pick 10 people at random and they would all give you different answers to what 'common sense' determines murder from self defense. the world is much more complex there are situations when it will be unclear where the line is.
I think we must use common sense to determine murder from self-defense and
accidents. God should not have to spell it all out in detail. By reason we should
know that killing an innocent person on purpose is murder. Therefore, the act
of abortion is murder.
if a soldier kills a civilian during a war is it murder?
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieNo.
you could pick 10 people at random and they would all give you different answers to what 'common sense' determines murder from self defense. the world is much more complex there are situations when it will be unclear where the line is.
if a soldier kills a civilian during a war is it murder?
16 Apr 12
Originally posted by RJHindsI think the op point is that its obvious that some scripture has been misinterpreted and mistranslated. Couldn't God have been more clear? I'm sure some of these errors are made innocently.... an all mighty God could have communicated a bit better.
It is mistranslated and misinterpreted due to man's lack of knowledge and not
due to any shortcomings of God. It is clear from reading the whole of scripture
that the verse you refer to does not prohibit all types of killings. So we know
that it can not be "thou shall not kill" but must be "thou shall not murder".
Although I guess this is another one of those things that go under his thoughts are not our thoughts.