Is Disfellowship Physically and Spiritually Necessary

Originally posted by FMF
So if elders did do what has been described on this thread, you would condemn it unequivocally as being un-biblical?

I don't know what has been described in this thread, what i do know is that a decision to separate is a personal one. You seems to be harbouring the decision that an Elder can actually influence a personal decision, Elders do not make decisions for people.

Originally posted by FMF
Have you read his posts?

I have already told you what i have read, how did he forget to tell the elders and the hospital, you have read them, you tell me.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have already told you what i have read, how did he forget to tell the elders and the hospital, you have read them, you tell me.

Have you asked him?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I don't know what has been described in this thread, what i do know is that a decision to separate is a personal one.

So you have read his posts but you didn't read anything about the pressure that elders brought to bear on his wife, is that what you are claiming?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
... a decision to separate is a personal one.

If elders in your organisation pressured a spouse to shun his or her partner, you would condemn it?

Originally posted by FMF
Have you asked him?

No i have not asked him, never the less, to anyone that is actually a strong witness the idea that you would not inform both teh Elders, the hospital and the hospital liaison committee that you were going for elective surgery, considering the risk, is rather strange. Strange to the point of casting doubt on how committed a witness he was.

It seems that you have no idea either just how he could forget to tell the Elders or the hospital that he was a witness. Strange that he can remember so much else though.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i have not asked him, never the less, to anyone that is actually a strong witness the idea that you would not inform both teh Elders, the hospital and the hospital liaison committee that you were going for elective surgery, considering the risk, is rather strange. Strange to the point of casting doubt on how committed a witness he was.

It se ...[text shortened]... Elders or the hospital that he was a witness. Strange that he can remember so much else though.

Are you not interested in this case/thread?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Strange to the point of casting doubt on how committed a witness he was.

Would this justify the elders pressuring his wife to leave him and take the children?

Originally posted by FMF
If elders in your organisation pressured a spouse to shun his or her partner, you would condemn it?

Yes its unbiblical to pressure anyone to make a personal decision to separate from their spouse.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes its unbiblical to pressure anyone to make a personal decision to separate from their spouse.

So you would condemn it, then, I assume. Should elders in such a case be disfellowshipped in your view?

Originally posted by FMF
Would this justify the elders pressuring his wife to leave him and take the children?

No being a weak and wimpy Witness is no grounds for separation, infact being married to a non believer is no grounds for separation, Paul infact counsels Christians to remain with an unbelieving mate.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i have not asked him...

If you have not asked him and you have not read all his posts, how can you claim to know what he remembered and what he forgot?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No being a weak and wimpy Witness is no grounds for separation, infact being married to a non believer is no grounds for separation, Paul infact counsels Christians to remain with an unbelieving mate.

Well now you have heard of a case where pressure was applied for a married couple to split.

Originally posted by FMF
So you would condemn it, then, I assume. Should elders in such a case be disfellowshipped in your view?

No people are not disfellowshipped for doing wrong, they are disfellowshipped for being unrepentant. This further detracts from the credence of beauroberts case. He should know this but seems rather oblivious to the fact. If he had gone to the brothers and said, look, Ive made a terrible mistake, they would have seen that he was repentant and he would not have been disfellowshiped in all likeliness. what he was actually disfellowshipped for was being unrepentant.

Originally posted by FMF
Well now you have heard of a case where pressure was applied for a married couple to split.

No i have heard of an alleged case that reeks with inconsistencies.