Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy don't you just read his posts or ask him?
No people are not disfellowshipped for doing wrong, they are disfellowshipped for being unrepentant. This further detracts from the credence of beauroberts case. He should know this but seems rather oblivious to the fact. If he had gone to the brothers and said, look, Ive made a terrible mistake, they would have seen that he was repentant and he w ...[text shortened]... ellowshiped in all likeliness. what he was actually disfellowshipped for was being unrepentant.
Originally posted by FMFHere are the facts, he forgets to tell the elders that he is going for elective surgery, he forgets to tell the hospital that he is a witness (receives a blood transfusion) and yet remembers that the elders (allegedly) turned his wife against him. How can that be? Which one seems to have more gravity to you. Neither do you seem capable of explaining it. strange indeed despite the fact that you seem perfectly capable of processing other hypothesis, why cant you offer a reason for this?
If you have not asked him and you have not read all his posts, how can you claim to know what he remembered and what he forgot?
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Originally posted by FMFbecause personally I have certain reservations as to the accuracy of his account, beginning with how you forget to tell the elders that he was going for elective surgery and the hospital that he was a witness. I mean, how can you forget that?
Why don't you just read his posts or ask him?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePerhaps the answers to your questions are in posts of his that you have not read or could be obtained from simply asking him?
because personally I have certain reservations as to the accuracy of his account, beginning with how you forget to tell the elders that you are going for elective surgery and the hospital that you are a witness.
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Originally posted by FMFI have never heard of any case, nor read the alleged victims alleged account of those dastardly elders. How can a man be trusted when he forgets to tell the hospital that hes going to for elective surgery that hes a Jehovahs Witness? for goodness sake, it begs belief.
So you can no longer claim you have never heard of a case, even if you haven't asked the alleged victim about it and you haven't read all the posts he wrote.
When you know how its possible, let me know.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou should perhaps read what he has written about it or ask the man himself.
I have never heard of any case, nor read the alleged victims alleged account of those dastardly elders. How can a man be trusted when he forgets to tell the hospital that hes going to for elective surgery that hes a Jehovahs Witness? for goodness sake, it begs belief.
When you know how its possible, let me know.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieLol. Why do they think if they keep asking the same question over and over it will help them get an answer from us that we can't give?
Sorry i have no way of knowing what actually happened and prefer not to comment when i have limited knowledge of a situation.
It doesn't seem to sink into their heads that we were not there. We don't know the facts, again because we were not there.
And as you so clearly said it's usually not the sin that one is disfellowshipped by, it's their attitude and either misunderstanding of GOD'S law on it and how they react and if they are repentant.
That is why which has been expliained to them CLEARLY that there can be multipul meetings with that person for many reasons and one is to "not just disfellowship them on the spot".
There is always enough effort made by the elders to help that person by scripture which is from GOD and then give them time to see how that person reacts.
If there is no repentance and if danger to the congregation is apparent, then they could be disfellowshipped.
As you mentioned this is ALL in the bible, for all to see. It is obvious they CAN'T see it and that is very sad as God's laws are perfect and just.
Originally posted by galveston75Have you read all beauroberts' posts on this thread?
Lol. Why do they think if they keep asking the same question over and over it will help them get an answer from us that we can't give?
It doesn't seem to sink into their heads that we were not there. We don't know the facts, again because we were not there.
And as you so clearly said it's usually not the sin that one is disfellowshipped by, it's the ...[text shortened]... to see. It is obvious they CAN'T see it and that is very sad as God's laws are perfect and just.
