-Removed-The idea you state here is called "modalism", it is not the Trinity doctrine.
"The offices of Father, Son and Holy Spirit are just offices held by the same single deity and personage." - Modalism
I once considered this idea during my studies in an attempt to make sense
of the idea the there was only one God. Yet the Holy Bible said that the
Son was God, the Holy Spirit was God, and the Father was God. But then
I realized it was not true because the Holy Bible also revealed that the
the Father was a distinct person from the Son, the Son was a distinct person
from the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was a distinct person from Father.
So the Trinity doctrine was the only theory that fit the description of God
revealed in the Holy Bible.
Originally posted by RJHindsIt is like saying there is only one group. The group can consist of three
Sorry, I meant "compound" not "composit".
persons. Just like God can consist of three person and be one God.
Each person is a part of the one group. That is why it says in Genesis
that God said let "us" make man in "our" image.
-Removed-is it just me or is this a pile of pure nonsensical gibberish? here is the scripture,
(Hebrews 5:7) . . .In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also
petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and
tears, and he was favourably heard for his godly fear. . .
and we have the absurd assertion that Christ did not need a saviour? who was he
supplicating? himself? who is the one who was able to save him out of death?
himself? was he crying to himself? heard by himself? what an absurdity! and to
try to fob us off with irrelevant details that God is outside the realms of time and
that Jesus in this instance was separated from God, is a rip off! I am sorry to state
and claim that its a mystery is not good enough, otherwise why would God ask us
to take in knowledge of him and Christ if we could never ascertain to any kind of
accuracy?
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-Removed-whether i agree or not is hardly the point, how anyone can look at this text objectively,
'offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of
death'
and then state, that Christ himself is not appealing to God in the capacity of a saviour is
quite beyond me, in fact, I will appeal to the atheists who have no pre conceptions and
no vested interests to look at this statement and render an objective opinion!
Originally posted by RJHindsWell, I belong to a group of 3 Ford Mustang guys, but how can we be one? The Bible says we are made in God's image but no humans that I know of are a 3 in 1 being. The Bible again clearly says at
It is like saying there is only one group. The group can consist of three
persons. Just like God can consist of three person and be one God.
Each person is a part of the one group. That is why it says in Genesis
that God said let "us" make man in "our" image.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (New Living Translation)
4 So, what about eating meat that has been offered to idols? Well, we all know that an idol is not really a god and that there is ((((((only one God.)))))))))
5 There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. 6 But we know that there is ((((((((only one God, the Father)))))))), who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
I've posted this scripture over and over and I really don't think all the trinitarians here are reading this. Why? Is the word ((((((( one )))))))) not understandable?
If he was 3 in 1 or however the trinity explains it, it would say that here in this very scripture. Right? But the Holy spirit is not even mentioned and even though Jesus is mentioned he is called only "Lord", not God at all. Don't you think this would have been a perfect time to express Jesus as God also?
And in the account of Genesis who was God talking to? Were you there to see or do you have any special knowledge of that time that we don't have?
God could have been talking to his son Jesus or any multutude of other angels watching this happen.
Anyway sorry for seeming to be short with words. I mean no harm just tired so I'm going to bed.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOnly those that have sinned need a savior. Jesus was without sin.
is it just me or is this a pile of pure nonsensical gibberish? here is the scripture,
(Hebrews 5:7) . . .In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also
petitions to [b]the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and
tears, and he was favourably heard for his godly fear. . .
and we have the a ...[text shortened]...
to take in knowledge of him and Christ if we could never ascertain to any kind of
accuracy?[/b]
When he received the beatings and was crucified on the cross, He
was taking the punishment that each and everyone of us deserve
for sinning against God. In the flesh He was able to feel the emotions
and pain of that punishment. He demonstrated that it was so bad
that any man would cry out to be saved from the torture and death.
He did not have to take our punishment; but He willing gave up His life
for us. There is no greater love. Since Jesus was without sin, He
could take our punishment and die for us. He not only died a
physical death, but also a spiritual death by being separated from
the Father for 3 days and 3 nights. He therefore became the savior
of the whole world. Without Him there would be no savior, He is the
only savior.