Is Jesus of New T LORD/Jehovah of the Old T?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Only those that have sinned need a savior. Jesus was without sin.
When he received the beatings and was crucified on the cross, He
was taking the punishment that each and everyone of us deserve
for sinning against God. In the flesh He was able to feel the emotions
and pain of that punishment. He demonstrated that it was so bad
that any man would cry ...[text shortened]... e the savior
of the whole world. Without Him there would be no savior, He is the
only savior.

Originally posted by divegeester
I think your confusing your own point.

[b]There is only one God and 'Saviour' (capital S) God said it was himself in Hosea (and many other places in Bible). Period.

The fact that Jesus could have been saved (small S) from the cross is a red-herring. If the centurion had pull Jesus off of the cross and 'saved' him would that make him his saviour too?

You're appeal for atheists to help you in this matter is amusing though.[/b]

Originally posted by divegeester
You may believe what you wish of course. But you will never take that gospel to the Jewish people.

God is one person, he will not give his glory to another. Look for God's character revealed and try not to get caught up in how he has physically revealed himself. There is mystery in the revelation yes, but God's character is easy to track through the Bible.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
he offered up supplications with strong outcries, its nothing to do with a small S, nor of
a cross, he reverently appealed to God to act on his behalf and to save him! that is he
appealed to God as his saviour, you cannot escape it with excuses that he was a man,
that its a red herring etc, its documented in scripture.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Only those that have sinned need a savior. Jesus was without sin.
When he received the beatings and was crucified on the cross, He
was taking the punishment that each and everyone of us deserve
for sinning against God. In the flesh He was able to feel the emotions
and pain of that punishment. He demonstrated that it was so bad
that any man would cry ...[text shortened]... e the savior
of the whole world. Without Him there would be no savior, He is the
only savior.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe it is written the Holy Bible somewhere that the Jews will
be blind for a cetain period of time before they say "blessed is He
that comes in the name of the Lord".

Originally posted by divegeester
The JW's are looking for a way to defend them having 2 saviours Jehovah and Jesus when:

[b]Hosea 13:4
"But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.

It's error. But they cannot/dare not admit it - to do so will lead to them leaving the JW organisation of being booted from it.[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
he is not appealing to him to save him on the basis of sin, the very same chapter of
Hebrews states that he was tested, without sin, he is appealing to God to save him, not
that term, save him, its quite important, to save him from death.

'offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of

death'
Christ ...[text shortened]... is behalf as a saviour, you cannot escape the fact
with excuses, its clear and in scripture.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no we are establishing how utterly absurd your claim is that Jesus and God are the
same person, an assertion that finds no basis in scripture and is ludicrous when one
examines the ancient text, objectively with an open and unprejudiced mind.

Originally posted by divegeester
[b]Hosea 13:4
"But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.

You can clutch to whatever the JW organisation tells youif you wish, but you will never deny this scripture (or the plethora of others)[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
"But I am Jesus your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.

The assertion that divegeester would have us believe? who thinks that the Israelites
were willing to accept this also, indeed, inserting Christs name demonstrates how
utterly ridiculous the claim is.[/b]

Hosea 13:4
"But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.

Originally posted by divegeester
Sorry I was unaware that JW's didn't accept that the spirit of Christ existed before his physical birth.

Originally posted by divegeester
[b]Hosea 13:4
"But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Oh i see, you are now havering about physical and spiritual manifestation, ok, as Christ
had not been made manifest, how is it possible that this scripture is a reference to
Jesus, or were the Israelites to put faith in Jesus spirit? do tell.