Is Jesus of New T LORD/Jehovah of the Old T?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well then, in that case, it should make it even clearer to you
as to what I am saying.

And why is that?
Oh and yout still avoiding my questions above.

Originally posted by galveston75
Sure all authority is given to him. First who gives it to him? If he is equal to God in all aspects already though because of the trinity dogma, how can it be given to him as he would all ready have it as would the holy spirit?
Does not the trinity say they are all equal in all aspects, all knowing, all powerful? So how can one part be lacking in auth ...[text shortened]... oblems though with a being like that but I won't go there as it start to get really silly....

The answer to your question is the Father, this is why the Father tells the
Son to sit at His right hand for a little while so He can make His enemies
a footstool for His feet. Then the scepter to the throne of God would be
given to the Son indicating all authority in heaven and on earth has been
turned over to Him.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The answer to your question is the Father, this is why the Father tells the
Son to sit at His right hand for a little while so He can make His enemies
a footstool for His feet. Then the scepter to the throne of God would be
given to the Son indicating all authority in heaven and on earth has been
turned over to Him.

If you are at all interested in the origins of your trinity you should read this...

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/the%20origin%20of%20the%20trinity.htm

http://www.christadelphia.org/trinityhistory.htm

http://babylon-the-great.xanga.com/591912769/item/

http://www.2001translation.com/Trinity.html

http://www.piney.com/His21.html

http://theproblemwith.xanga.com/702510982/item/

Originally posted by galveston75
If you are at all interested in the origins of your trinity you should read this...

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/the%20origin%20of%20the%20trinity.htm

http://www.christadelphia.org/trinityhistory.htm

http://babylon-the-great.xanga.com/591912769/item/

http://www.2001translation.com/Trinity.html

http://www.piney.com/His21.html

http://theproblemwith.xanga.com/702510982/item/

eerie silence. . . . . . . . . .from the trinitarians.

just an extract,

The current mainstream teaching in Christianity is that God is a coequal, coeternal,
one-substance trinity, and that Jesus Christ is God. This doctrine is considered by
many as the cornerstone of Christianity, but where did this doctrine come from?
The historical record is overwhelming that the church of the first three centuries did
not worship God as a coequal, coeternal, consubstantial, one-substance three in
one mysterious godhead. The early church worshipped one God and believed in a
subordinate Son.

http://www.christadelphia.org/trinityhistory.htm

Originally posted by RJHinds
The answer to your question is the Father, this is why the Father tells the
Son to sit at His right hand for a little while so He can make His enemies
a footstool for His feet. Then the scepter to the throne of God would be
given to the Son indicating all authority in heaven and on earth has been
turned over to Him.

Geeez... You really don't realize almost every comment you make back disproves the trinity do you? I'm not trying to be rude to you at all but you really don't see do you?

Think with logic on this:

If your Father was a King but decided to give you, his son, a well earned position next to him in his Kingdom and even said for a thousand years you can rule it for him and all of his subjects will answer to you instead of your Father.
How would you describe that to lets say all who you know?
Would you say that you and your Father are really one person in one body and that both of you know exactly the same identicle things and really are the same being? Sorry I forgot about a third being is supposed to be included too. Oh well..
Anyway how would you think this explination would sound to ones you explained this too?
Now if you removed the words "Father & Son" which the Bible does use and in every use we know of it literally means "father and his son/two people", and just replaced them with something like "being & being & being" in describing this 3 in 1 god head. It might slightly be a little more of an arguement but that would even be streatching anything we know of here on earth to relate to.
It just makes no sense...............

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
eerie silence. . . . . . . . . .from the trinitarians.

just an extract,

The current mainstream teaching in Christianity is that God is a coequal, coeternal,
one-substance trinity, and that Jesus Christ is God. This doctrine is considered by
many as the cornerstone of Christianity, but where did this doctrine come from?
The historical rec ...[text shortened]... one God and believed in a
subordinate Son.

http://www.christadelphia.org/trinityhistory.htm

Thanks buddy..... I just hope they actually look some of these up.

Originally posted by galveston75
Geeez... You really don't realize almost every comment you make back disproves the trinity do you? I'm not trying to be rude to you at all but you really don't see do you?

Think with logic on this:

If your Father was a King but decided to give you, his son, a well earned position next to him in his Kingdom and even said for a thousand years you ...[text shortened]... anything we know of here on earth to relate to.
It just makes no sense...............

You use the world "people" instead of "persons". Maybe, that is why
you do not understand the trinity doctrine. I think you are using the
definition of "persons" to mean "human beings". This would be like
saying there are three creatures that make up the trinty god. This
is the pagan idea of a trinity of gods. Their three most important gods
were put together as a trinity. But Christianity does not believe there
are three people in the Godhead in that sense of three persons. Jesus
is the "person" using that definition of "persons". The Christian trinitarian
God is something like ONE God, with THREE distinct personalities that
cooperate with each other. The ONE Spirit is shared by all THREE; but
only ONE of the persons has a visible body.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You use the world "people" instead of "persons". Maybe, that is why
you do not understand the trinity doctrine. I think you are using the
definition of "persons" to mean "human beings". This would be like
saying there are three creatures that make up the trinty god. This
is the pagan idea of a trinity of gods. Their three most important gods
were ...[text shortened]... ONE Spirit is shared by all THREE; but
only ONE of the persons has a visible body.

You didn't get my example at all! Oh well I tried.
But you can twist and turn and rearange your trinity anyway you want my friend. It was something taught by pagan nations before Jesus ever came to earth. The same pagan nations that God detested and warned his people to never even eat a meal wth. Was never believed in any form by God's people the Isrealites, the Jews then or today.
It was never believed or taught by Jesus, the apostles, and was never even mentioned by any of Jesus's true followers. In fact it all of a sudden apeared a few hundred years after Jesus death, which he warned about, and now is a part of most so called Christian religions.
And as of yet you or no one else here on this forum has proved anything as you yourselves can't even explain this silly and insulting to God, belief..............

I hope you read the links I posted earlier. If that's not enough I can post more.

Originally posted by galveston75
You didn't get my example at all! Oh well I tried.
But you can twist and turn and rearange your trinity anyway you want my friend. It was something taught by pagan nations before Jesus ever came to earth. The same pagan nations that God detested and warned his people to never even eat a meal wth. Was never believed in any form by God's people the Isrea ...[text shortened]... .....

I hope you read the links I posted earlier. If that's not enough I can post more.

Yes I get your exampleand the answer is No. But my understanding of the
Trinity Doctrine is different from the way you see it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes I get your exampleand the answer is No. But my understanding of the
Trinity Doctrine is different from the way you see it.

So you have your own version? Is it the same or different then others here or do that have their versions too?
It would seem if it were true all the "versions" would be no versions at all but one truth on the matter.
Jesus himself said one of the signs of his true followers would be the "unity" in beliefs that theywould all have. I sure don't see that here with the trinity people nor any others I have ever known, as in most of my relitives are not Witnesses and all believe in the trinity. And...not one of them have ever explained it to me in the same way. Hum?????

Originally posted by galveston75
So you have your own version? Is it the same or different then others here or do that have their versions too?
It would seem if it were true all the "versions" would be no versions at all but one truth on the matter.
Jesus himself said one of the signs of his true followers would be the "unity" in beliefs that theywould all have. I sure don't see tha ...[text shortened]... n the trinity. And...not one of them have ever explained it to me in the same way. Hum?????

No, I do not have my own version. I am referring to the same
trinity doctine of the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist
Church, the United Methodist Church, the Lutherern Church, the
Presbyterian Church, and the Greek Orthodox Church, but not like
the Oneness Pentecostal Church.

Originally posted by RJHinds
No, I do not have my own version. I am referring to the same
trinity doctine of the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist
Church, the United Methodist Church, the Lutherern Church, the
Presbyterian Church, and the Greek Orthodox Church, but not like
the Oneness Pentecostal Church.

Well I hate to spill the beans here but they do not all beleive it in the same degree or concept and not even among the same churches.
As I've mentioned before a vast majority of JW's came out of those churches and were taught the trinity and I know first hand not only by what they say but by my mothers own words as she was raised baptist. She was never able to get any straight answers at all when she was a child and young adult when she was looking for was just some simple explination of that silly teaching. No one in her church ever could but the only answer that we all hear is "well, it's a mystery so you'll just have to accept that."
You should do more research on the teachings of that "Mystery of the Trinity."

Originally posted by galveston75
Well I hate to spill the beans here but they do not all beleive it in the same degree or concept and not even among the same churches.
As I've mentioned before a vast majority of JW's came out of those churches and were taught the trinity and I know first hand not only by what they say but by my mothers own words as she was raised baptist. She was neve ...[text shortened]... that."
You should do more research on the teachings of that "Mystery of the Trinity."

The Trinity doctine is the same. But not all members understand
what it says, just as you Jehovah's Witnessess do not understand
it. You try to make God a simple being that is easy for you to
understand. But God is much more complex than any human being.
God's way is higher than our way, the Holy Bible says. He is a
much higher being than we are, and also, a higher being than any of
the angels, both of which were made by God. None of use can
understand God completely, but the trinity doctrine is the best
theory to explain what the Holy Bible says about God.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Trinity doctine is the same. But not all members understand
what it says, just as you Jehovah's Witnessess do not understand
it. You try to make God a simple being that is easy for you to
understand. But God is much more complex than any human being.
God's way is higher than our way, the Holy Bible says. He is a
much higher being than we are, a ...[text shortened]... y, but the trinity doctrine is the best
theory to explain what the Holy Bible says about God.

Okee dokee..You just keep believing what your church tells you...Have fun while keeping your eyes wide shut.