Originally posted by RJHinds Yes , I understand what you mean now.
You believe magic and miracle are just two words meaning the same thing, since you don't believe either one is a real supernatural event, Right?
Correct - I am certain that neither are real events, and I hold that they are equivalent terms; and furthermore the dichotomy you seek to establish based on the fact that the collection of people you belong to believes only one of them to be real (the magician in this case being "God" ) is not valid.
Originally posted by FMF Miracles/magic are synonymous in so far as what we are discussing here is concerned. We are not talking about "magic" in the TV show sense, just as we are not talking about "miracles" in the 3-seconds-to-go Hail Mary pass sense. In the case of both words we are talking about "supernatural power over natural forces".
Okay, I think I get it.
Black magic is something unexplained that is bad and associated with witchcraft or the power of Satan the devil.
A miracle is something unexplained that is good and associated with the power of God or Christ Jesus.
Originally posted by RJHinds Okay, I think I get it.
Black magic is something unexplained that is bad and associated with witchcraft or the power of Satan the devil.
A miracle is something unexplained that is good and associated with the power of God or Christ Jesus.
Nope ... you're still trying, in vain, to drive a wedge between their synonymity. We could equally well say, for sake of argument, that
- White magic is something unexplained that is good and associated with the power of God
- A dark miracle is something unexplained that is bad and associated with witchcraft or the power of Satan the devil.
Originally posted by Agerg Nope ... you're still trying, in vain, to drive a wedge between their synonymity. We could equally well say, for sake of argument, that
- White magic is something unexplained that is good and associated with the power of God
- A dark miracle is something unexplained that is bad and associated with witchcraft or the power of Satan the devil.
I have heard of white magic, but not a dark miracle. Perhaps you are making up the dark miracle.
However, the Holy Bible condemns both white and black magic as tricks of Satan the devil.
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Originally posted by RJHinds I have heard of white magic, but not a dark miracle. Perhaps you are making up the dark miracle.
However, the Holy Bible condemns both white and black magic as tricks of Satan the devil.
But then the Bible should condemn "God" since "He" is said to, in so many words, perform white magic himself (though the colour of that magic is open to debate - I would regard much of the things "He" is said to have done to be a form of black magic infinitely many orders of magnitude worse than the subset of magic events you are considering)
Again miracles and magic are merely two different terms to denote essentially the same thing. Both are the vestige of childish fantasies that for some reason have not been out-grown as such children turn into adults.
Originally posted by Agerg But then the Bible should condemn "God" since "He" is said to perform white magic himself (though the colour of that magic is open to debate - I would regard much of the things "He" is said to have done to be a form of black magic infinitely many orders of magnitude worse than the subset of magic events you are considering)
I don't recall anything about God performing white magic. Do you happen to have that reference?
Originally posted by wolfgang59 For F's sake can't you people use a dictionary?!?
* all miracles are magic
that does not mean all magic is a miracle
miracles are "good" deeds done by deities using their supernatural powers
Actually this is not accurate, magic relies of deception and the use of props, when one examines the Biblical miracles performed by Jesus there is nothing 'magical', about them, infact, they are almost matter of fact and completely devoid of sensationalism. He simply says to Lazarus, 'come on out', he says to a man who cannot walk, 'get up', to a dead girl, 'rise', no smoke, no mirrors, no gimmicks, absolutely matter of fact. This is a stark contrast to the gimmickry of magic and is not easily explained by those who say they are akin to magic.
Is life mysterious?
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