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Originally posted by wolfgang59I get the impression that RJHinds, and josephw know exactly what we mean when we use the term "magic" and are making a deliberate effort to squirm their way away from this one because they know that comparing "God"s miracles to the likes of wizards tossing fireballs about or Harry Potter casting spells with his wand cheapens what they believe.
Is this how Harry Potter does his thing?
This I imagine is fairly painful for them and so it comes as little surprise that they have to apply some sort of special pleading to the magic that "God" performs ... in this case merely giving it a different name!! 😵
Originally posted by AgergIt's amusing to watch you attempt to dig yourself out of the hole yet end up only digging the hole deeper.
I think it is more accurate to say that your interpretation of what I said is more than a little bit off target. Indeed such great minds you speak of like Newton, Euler, Riemann, Gauss, and so on ... [hidden]yeah my examples were all mathematicians ... feel free to substitute physicist, philosophers, and so on on ...[/hidden] are the ones who, in spite of thei ...[text shortened]... spreading lies", "they are evil!!" [hidden]yes I'm aiming at the fundamentalists here[/hidden].
Citing the names of dead seekers might confer a certain level of comfort for you now hundreds of years removed (those kind old souls were just so quaint), but it doesn't help you out with your modern-day problems, does it?
That renders your assumption of the debatable nature of their beliefs surrounded by current knowledge seem pretty silly, huh.
And will you do yourself and everyone else a favor?
Quit marching out that tired, sad assumption that only uneducated people are given to bigotry and violence: it makes you sound like a member of the Nazi propaganda machinery and does more to hurt your cause than help.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHThe names I cited (except Gauss whom I forgot to edit out) were more than seekers Freaky ... they were probably deeper entrenched in their belief in "God" than you are - I still consider them to be great intellects. As for what they would believe in the present day, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
It's amusing to watch you attempt to dig yourself out of the hole yet end up only digging the hole deeper.
Citing the names of dead seekers might confer a certain level of comfort for you now hundreds of years removed (those kind old souls were just so quaint), but it doesn't help you out with your modern-day problems, does it?
That renders your assu ...[text shortened]... sound like a member of the Nazi propaganda machinery and does more to hurt your cause than help.
Care to remind me, in the context of this thread what are my modern-day problems!?
And as for the claim of mine that usually (not only!) the uneducated are given to bigotry and violence, the kind of people incapable of higher thought are the kinds who will fall in line with herd-mentality and succumb to the desire to see jaws smashed. Yes there are educated/intelligent bigots/thugs but that said stupidity is a good predictor for the way people will act and think. Is it bizarre to suggest that people who are stupid will have a tendency to believe stupid things!??
Originally posted by AgergYou are ignorant and stupid if you think we gave them different names. These names or words were in the dictionary long before we were born.
I get the impression that RJHinds, and josephw know exactly what we mean when we use the term "magic" and are making a deliberate effort to squirm their way away from this one because they know that comparing "God"s miracles to the likes of wizards tossing fireballs about or Harry Potter casting spells with his wand cheapens what they believe.
This I imagine ...[text shortened]... leading to the magic that "God" performs ... in this case merely giving it a different name!! 😵
Originally posted by RJHindsThe word "idiot" has been in the dictionary a long time.
You are ignorant and stupid if you think we gave them different names. These names or words were in the dictionary long before we were born.
(via Old French from Latin idiota , from Greek idiōtēs )
But that does not prevent me giving it to you.
So you are free to give gods magic the word
miracle regardless of how old that word is.