Is there any hope for mankind?

Originally posted by Suzianne
So now the JWs have their own entire religion, untainted by those infidels, the Christians? I always suspected they thought as much.

If you can think of a more beautiful hope for mankind then feel free to express it, I know of none.

Originally posted by FMF
I would concur and add the hope that more and more people can take more control of their lives and enjoy more security and stability through improved health and access to quality education, justice and human rights.

Exactly how long might you think it will take for a majority of the world's population to have these things?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Exactly how long might you think it will take for a majority of the world's population to have these things?

It's happening apace as we speak. The process is the thing. People working towards it gives hope. Don't worry, the world is not about to end ~ as you'd have us believe ~ so it's not as if all these processes must run their course in your lifetime. You asking "exactly" how long it will take seems a bit strange. It'd be like asking you 'when "exactly" will the world end?'

Originally posted by FMF
It's happening apace as we speak. The process is the thing. People working towards it gives hope. Don't worry, the world is not about to end ~ as you'd have us believe ~ so it's not as if all these processes must run their course in your lifetime. You asking "exactly" how long it will take seems a bit strange. It'd be like asking you 'when "exactly" will the world end?'

Would it be fair to state that you are a humanist FMF?

Originally posted by Suzianne
This is like asking, "Aside from its use in dark places, is there any use for the light bulb?"

Not really because we can all agree that "dark places" and "light-bulbs" exist.

It is more like asking "Aside from guarding the Fairy Palace, is there any use for armed pixies?"

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I don't even understand the question!

What does "hope for mankind" mean?

What is it that we might be hoping for?

Hope doesn't even enter the equation when one has insight.

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"womankind".... really? does this deliberate misunderstanding of 'mankind' really advance any feminist issue you may be bringing up here?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If dying was natural we would welcome it and rejoice, no one rejoices about having to lose a loved one.

That's because we don't understand it (death).

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If dying was natural we would welcome it and rejoice, no one rejoices about having to lose a loved one.

Something that happens to every single human who ever lived - death, for example - is certainly "natural". Cancer is "natural" but people don't "welcome it and rejoice".

Originally posted by wolfgang59
1. Quite a few people on this forum have argued quite forcefully
that they do not wish to live forever. So you are wrong on that point.
(And btw: who made you spokesperson for mankind??)

2. Man or mankind (if that is what you mean) was not created and has no purpose.

3. Think you might be wrong on that one too. 🙄

The eyes on your emoticon express well your thinking....confused.

Our Creator made us to live.

To begin with there was no death option.

When Adam sinned he brought death to all of his offspring (us).

(Romans 5:12) That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.


Thankfully God did not abandon us.

Rather, out of loyal love our Creator, Jehovah God, paid a fine (the ransom sacrifice of His First born Son) to buy us back from sin and death.

Now we can gain everlasting life again (it's not automatic though).

(Romans 6:23) For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Dying is natural. It is the Ego's desire to preserve itself (because it is so special) that creates a struggle with the inevitable.

It's only inevitable until Jehovah God ends death.

(Revelation 21:4, 5) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” 5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Would it be fair to state that you are a humanist FMF?

If by humanist you mean a person who takes "...a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition.", then of course I am. What a strange ~ and presumably disingenuous - question for you to suddenly ask after a decade of reading my posts. Has your latest copy of The Watchtower mentioned the word "humanist" or something?

Originally posted by roigam
Our Creator made us to live. To begin with there was no death option.

Did your creator figure not foresee the events that resulted in the "death option" He also created being activated? If you think He did, then it's not very logical or honest for you to claim that "Our Creator made us to live". It's like claiming that manufacturers create light bulbs to last forever when they clearly don't.

You are dissecting an ancient Hebrew fairy tale and basing deluded, self-serving assertions upon it. These kinds of things may give you some sort of hope for what ever personal reasons or psychological circumstances you happen to have, but one can hardly, credibly contend that such fantasies constitute "hope for mankind" in any real sense or produce anything other than conjecture about fears and dreams and your impotence and endless talk about your conjecture about fear and dreams and your impotence.

Originally posted by roigam
It's only inevitable until Jehovah God ends death.

(Revelation 21:4, 5) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” 5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

I wonder why those who were paid to rewrite the Bible for the JWs decided to also prune it of almost all of its glory to God.