Originally posted by RJHindsYou will have a long and fruitless wait. Hey, it's been 2000 years now, doesn't that say something? BTW, we are not in the end days, unless the religious right nut jobs gain control of America, something that will not happen if I have anything to say about it. I think you don't give a crap that letting those nutjobs control the country will be a major step on the way to the sliding ruin of the US. You would gladly have the US be way down on the science lists if it meant the Iranization of the US.
My Lord and Christ wants me to be apart of this world and contend for the faith
until he returns and that means fighting against Satan controlled governments
that deny Christian liberty.
Originally posted by sonhouseEverything you can see, touch, hear, smell, and taste is a result of the creation
My point was they were not doing anything to be actual citizens, their religion took over their lives, forcing them to live in the perifery of culture. They probably banned music, dance, anything cultural, like the Taliban who destroyed the Buddhist statues carved into the mountain side. They also were asssholes, truly world class asssholes at that.
The ...[text shortened]... g to call that bunch of freaks is assshole. Frankly, they give a bad name to the anal orifice.
of God. There is no spontaneous generation, biogenesis, or evolution, which is
only part of the delusions from Satan.
Originally posted by RJHindsLike I said, you would be happy for America to be Iranianized and for science to go down the drain. What do we need all that stupid cancer research for? We have prayer.
Everything you can see, touch, hear, smell, and taste is a result of the creation
of God. There is no spontaneous generation, biogenesis, or evolution, which is
only part of the delusions from Satan.
We don't need all those rockets going into space, we can worship god from right here, and you best come to church sunday or we will come looking for you.
Oh, you women who think they have control of their bodies, forget that, WE control your every move now.
Evolution is now illegal, you cannot teach it anywhere in the borders of the US, because Creationism is the ONLY thing that matters.
Originally posted by sonhouseI am a Christian, not a Muslim. You are so far gone as an atheist you can not
Like I said, you would be happy for America to be Iranianized and for science to go down the drain. What do we need all that stupid cancer research for? We have prayer.
We don't need all those rockets going into space, we can worship god from right here, and you best come to church sunday or we will come looking for you.
Oh, you women who think they have ...[text shortened]... teach it anywhere in the borders of the US, because Creationism is the ONLY thing that matters.
tell the difference. True Christians have always promoted scientific thinking
and the first schools and colleges in America were started by Christians. We
may not have the freedoms we enjoy today in this nation if it was not for the
Christians. You have a warped view of everything to do with Christians, apparently.
Originally posted by RJHindsYeah, like you would condone teaching evolution in a science class without reference to creationism myth......
I am a Christian, not a Muslim. You are so far gone as an atheist you can not
tell the difference. True Christians have always promoted scientific thinking
and the first schools and colleges in America were started by Christians. We
may not have the freedoms we enjoy today in this nation if it was not for the
Christians. You have a warped view of everything to do with Christians, apparently.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNobody questions your account of the early Christians. What you appear unable to acknowledge is the political nature of their actions and omissions and the reality that they had political consequences of major importance.
and just for the record,
“Early Christianity was little understood and was regarded with little favor by those who
ruled the pagan world. . . . Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens.
. . . They would not hold political office.” - On the Road to Civilization, A World History
(Philadelphia, 1937), A. Heckel and J. Sigma ...[text shortened]... r of
princes.” - The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon, Vol. I, p.
416.
Edward Gibbon's entire argument, as you should know, was that Christianity undermined the [Western] Roman Empire and caused its decline and downfall. The failure to defend the state against barbarian invasion, the reliance on paid mercenaries to do the fighting for them (why that is more Christian than fighting yourself is open to discussion) , the loss of patriotic enthusiasm...
Similarly, Julius Norwich's history of the Byzantine Empire [The Eastern Roman Empire of course] shows the same impact, with increasing human and material resources swallowed up in the madly popular monastic movement. Citizens in sufificiently large numbers simply withdrew their commitment to the functions of the Empire and it had a vast, negative impact.
When Henry VIII closed the British monastries and released the resources locked up there, it generated huge economic benefits for the Tudor state. The same happened in France after the French Revolution.
It is simply intolerable for significant numbers of citizens to opt out of playing an active role in their communities and that includes political life.
This is not the most likely effect of the current religious fervour in the USA and to a lesser extent in Britain. Rather, it is that people are selling their political destiny to whatever irresponsible Right wing lunatic party offers to promote their archaic belief systems.
Remember too the major lesson of the Nazi experience - that for evil to triumph, it is only necessary that good people do nothing. Opting out is a political deed and a hugely negative one.
Originally posted by finneganJust what Satan wants - good people do nothing.
Nobody questions your account of the early Christians. What you appear unable to acknowledge is the political nature of their actions and omissions and the reality that they had political consequences of major importance.
Edward Gibbon's entire argument, as you should know, was that Christianity undermined the [Western] Roman Empire and caused its decli ...[text shortened]... cessary that good people do nothing. Opting out is a political deed and a hugely negative one.
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm sure you would. With a clear conscience. Even though science WOULD go downhill in the US from there. Next would be overturning Roe V Wade, can't have women having control of their own bodies now can we? They have to be kept in their place, barefoot and pregnant.
Evolution is science fiction. I am for teaching Intelligent Design and letting
the students determine the designer on their own.
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't agree with killing defenseless babies even though they are still in the
I'm sure you would. With a clear conscience. Even though science WOULD go downhill in the US from there. Next would be overturning Roe V Wade, can't have women having control of their own bodies now can we? They have to be kept in their place, barefoot and pregnant.
mothers womb. I am not against birth control pills or the morning after pill
if a woman wants to risk it. In case of rape, I think the women should have
the right to take the morning after pill. But if she waits too long and the
doctor determines there is a living baby involved I do not believe it is moral
to murder the baby. I agree with Dr. Ron Paul on this matter.
Originally posted by RJHindsOf course you do, women are second class citizens in your mind and in the mind of all the right wing religious nut jobs. You view the woman on a lower plane than a fetus that cannot think yet. You can't face the possibility that women are the equal of men and superior in some aspects. Of course you would deny deny deny any bias against women but it is there nonetheless. Once the woman is forced to have a child of rape, all interest is dropped, nobody gives a dam what happens to the child after that, they are too busy going on to their next victim, whom they could care less about.
I don't agree with killing defenseless babies even though they are still in the
mothers womb. I am not against birth control pills or the morning after pill
if a woman wants to risk it. In case of rape, I think the women should have
the right to take the morning after pill. But if she waits too long and the
doctor determines there is a living baby inv ...[text shortened]... ed I do not believe it is moral
to murder the baby. I agree with Dr. Ron Paul on this matter.
Originally posted by sonhouseIt is necessary in a civilized society to make laws to protect the weakest
Of course you do, women are second class citizens in your mind and in the mind of all the right wing religious nut jobs. You view the woman on a lower plane than a fetus that cannot think yet. You can't face the possibility that women are the equal of men and superior in some aspects. Of course you would deny deny deny any bias against women but it is there ...[text shortened]... d after that, they are too busy going on to their next victim, whom they could care less about.
among us, whether you like it or not.
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Originally posted by finneganMy dear Celtic cousin, you are preaching to the wrong person, albeit with impassioned
Nobody questions your account of the early Christians. What you appear unable to acknowledge is the political nature of their actions and omissions and the reality that they had political consequences of major importance.
Edward Gibbon's entire argument, as you should know, was that Christianity undermined the [Western] Roman Empire and caused its decli cessary that good people do nothing. Opting out is a political deed and a hugely negative one.
sentiments. We cannot be made to compromise our principles even in the face of
death. We shall not be moulded by the turbulent waters of politics which throw up
mire in the shape of political issues. We have because of our adherence to Biblical
principles transcended every type of barrier, political, national, religious and
economic.
I can look across the water and see former members of the IRA sitting in a kingdom
hall with former enemies, now brothers in the truest sense of the word, Israeli and
Arab, Tutsi and Hutu, Serb and ethnic Albanian, former SS officers and those whom
they persecuted, you cannot touch this, you have nothing which to compare this
transcendence, after which the words of those protagonists of a political solution are
hollow and empty, a lie and a deception and a very poor substitute for the real thing,
Gods Kingdom.
Originally posted by sonhouseWe can't allow anyone to go around murdering babies, in the womb or not.
There you go, you KNOW women are second class citizens.
That does not make them a second class citizens. Anyway, giving birth to and
raising babies is their function according to God's plan and purpose. So get over it.